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Old 12-02-2018, 12:24 AM   #1
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Distorion on Master?

Do you put some distortion in your masters?

I know that you should put a tape distortion at the end of a digital master, because professional's use analog mixing table that distort a bit the signal. Is it a good method? When I do this the master sounds more punchy but less crispy, so I often undo this.
But sometimes I put a subtle clip distortion, and I think it sounds more crispy, punchy, but I don't think is a good method maybe for the other speakers it's ruining the song!
Or other times I try to make my song pass though the external soudcard to recreate the analog mixing table. But I don't know what I'm doing

What do you do?

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Old 12-02-2018, 03:18 AM   #2
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What do you do?
100% depends on the situation. When I'm mastering an entire album, I'll put everything through a similar, very light distortion to give it all the same flavor. For individual songs though.... don't overrate the analog sound. It's possible for analog mixes to sound bad, and modern EDM/IDM is a great candidate to expose the weaknesses of an analog signal chain and end up not sounding great. Try to get your mix sounding great without any distortion, then add what you want to take it to the next level. Sometimes, if your mix is just right, you won't need it. Other times, you'll add it and distortion just won't work if the mix is too full already. I find myself using it less and less in my mastering because I want cleaner masters, and distortion is not clean by definition.

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Old 12-02-2018, 04:55 AM   #3
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Re: Distorion on Master?

I prefer saturation to distortion. I use U He Satin as the first plug in on my 2 bus on every song. I also often use 10% wet or less distortion on my send reverb(s).

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Old 12-02-2018, 05:05 AM   #4
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Re: Distorion on Master?

Personally I always put distortion on the master.. heh.

I usually use a clipper to get rid of super fast transients, and then I usually do some parallel processing from a couple of different saturation devices. Usually one tape one and one tube (for even and odd harmonics respectively). It is really important to get good quality distortion when you’re dealing with the master channel tho. I think I might disagree with white noise here there are a couple of newer saturation plugins I have (hg-2 black box, and Kush 458a) that always do something to the sound I like, but that is likely just a personal preference thing. I like sparking clear mixes but even more than that I like slightly gooey analog ones. Also, these plugins (I believe because they are tube emulations) can actually increase the sense of clarity, to me anyway. But I do agree that it is best to not even think about this stuff until you are totally finished mixing, let it be the icing on the cake.
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Old 12-02-2018, 05:07 AM   #5
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Re: Distorion on Master?

Solid comments here from both Relic and White Noise. Personally, I don't tend to use Distortion all that much, other than as a specific effect on a channel in a mix, but I often add Saturation to the Sub Master bus to help polish the over-all sound of the track before exporting/bouncing.

As WN already stated, it really depends on the piece your working on and what you want to achieve in the end..sometimes something will work..and other times it's just not the right thing at all.

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Old 12-02-2018, 05:38 AM   #6
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Re: Distorion on Master?

I prefer to mix into my saturation plug in. But my mixes aren't anything special

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Old 12-02-2018, 09:40 AM   #7
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Re: Distorion on Master?

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I think I might disagree with white noise here there are a couple of newer saturation plugins I have (hg-2 black box, and Kush 458a) that always do something to the sound I like, but that is likely just a personal preference thing. I like sparking clear mixes but even more than that I like slightly gooey analog ones.
No worries, I was in the same boat for awhile, and I actually haven't heard of those plugins, so maybe I need to demo them. But for me, most distortions end up working in the time domain as well as the frequency domain, which is what I really don't want. It messes with the groove of my song to my ear.

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Old 12-02-2018, 09:48 AM   #8
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Distortion goes in ALL channels.

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Old 12-02-2018, 11:26 AM   #9
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Re: Distorion on Master?

I run all of my masters through a metal zone pedal for that extra pzazz
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:59 PM   #10
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Re: Distorion on Master?

^ trve kvlt analog

Interesting topic though, did not know it was a practice. Probably because I don’t know shit about mastering ...

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Old 12-02-2018, 09:05 PM   #11
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^ trve kvlt analog

Interesting topic though, did not know it was a practice. Probably because I donít know shit about mastering ...
Yes very comment. as long as you call it ďsaturationĒ and not ďdistortionĒ. Like how we jazz musicians donít have band practice we have ďrehearsalĒ.
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Old 12-02-2018, 09:16 PM   #12
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Yes very comment. as long as you call it “saturation” and not “distortion”. Like how we jazz musicians don’t have band practice we have “rehearsal”.
I guess it really is splitting hairs lol

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Old 13-02-2018, 04:00 AM   #13
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On master buss or individual busses/channels.
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Old 13-02-2018, 02:49 PM   #14
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I have their IVGI unit, but what's the SDRR one like in comparison?

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Old 13-02-2018, 06:46 PM   #15
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I have their IVGI unit, but what's the SDRR one like in comparison?
I find numericalís statement to be a little odd becaus IVGI is a light version of SDRR, perhaps he find the limited controls more appropriate for mastering situations?

SDRR has more modes (saturation models) and more parameters per mode. It also has a high quality setting that Iím not sure IVGI has, which I would think would make it better for mastering. Itís hands down the best saturation plugin for the money.
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I find numericalís statement to be a little odd becaus IVGI is a light version of SDRR, perhaps he find the limited controls more appropriate for mastering situations?

SDRR has more modes (saturation models) and more parameters per mode. It also has a high quality setting that Iím not sure IVGI has, which I would think would make it better for mastering. Itís hands down the best saturation plugin for the money.
Yeah, that's more or less what I was thinking..hence the question about the difference between the two..like, is SDRR all that much better than the lighter IVGI, which I have..as I've seen SDRR on offer a few times over the last few weeks and was wondering if it's worth the drop.

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If you're not overdriving a Hyper Metal 3 you're doing it wrong.

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Old 15-02-2018, 04:44 AM   #18
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I find numericalís statement to be a little odd becaus IVGI is a light version of SDRR, perhaps he find the limited controls more appropriate for mastering situations?

SDRR has more modes (saturation models) and more parameters per mode. It also has a high quality setting that Iím not sure IVGI has, which I would think would make it better for mastering. Itís hands down the best saturation plugin for the money.
No I fucked up the post, mean the first link last. sorry
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Old 15-02-2018, 08:04 AM   #19
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If you're not overdriving a Hyper Metal 3 you're doing it wrong.


In all seriousness, distorting the master is essential for good HNW

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