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Old 04-12-2017, 03:15 AM   #1
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Getting that clangy snare....without ruining it.

I've been listening to a lot of goregrind/death metal (lol aren't I always?) and the one thing I notice is that the bands I like better have this snare tone that has a clangy, metallic sort of reverb; it gives music more presence, I think, personally, with that "beating the shit out of the drum" aesthetic. So I've been running through snare samples, and some of the ones that are a little more metallic I are ok on their own, but I wouldn't really want them sitting in a mix going free range; the amount of added reverb/how it's added kind of sucks. So I've been doing a little bit of synthesizing snares, but at that point, it's still the reverb. I'm not sure if I should go the route of just a regular reverb plugin or the convolution reverb (I remember one go I had at it I took a particularly metallic reverb and ran it through some treble/overdrive a few times over, to make it pretty nasty).

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Anyhow, if any of you guys have any ideas on how to get that going, that'd be helpful. Thanx.

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Old 04-12-2017, 03:22 AM   #2
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Re: Getting that clangy snare....without ruining it.

Might have luck with some piccolo snare samples maybe...

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Old 04-12-2017, 03:23 AM   #3
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Re: Getting that clangy snare....without ruining it.

That was pretty much the BDM sound in 2004. Loosen the bottom head of your snare drum, and don't bother to tune the top perfectly.

Footnote - these guys weren't doing it in FL studio, they used the real thing

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Old 04-12-2017, 03:37 AM   #4
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Re: Getting that clangy snare....without ruining it.

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That was pretty much the BDM sound in 2004. Loosen the bottom head of your snare drum, and don't bother to tune the top perfectly.

Footnote - these guys weren't doing it in FL studio, they used the real thing
Well I think VxPxOxAxAxWxAxMxC are prettymuch FL studio to my knowledge....they proudly perform without an actual drummer.

LDOH? Definitely a live deal haha.
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Old 04-12-2017, 03:39 AM   #5
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Might have luck with some piccolo snare samples maybe...
Idk, I just popped open my folder of Alesis SR-16 samples and found a piccolo....I'm not sure if it's really the pitch of the drum or the pitch of the reverb. A lot of the snares in the songs I provided I think sound like they were recording in small rooms....either way, gotta find a way to dial in that verb because a lot of these drums sound dry/made more for like a house context.
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Re: Getting that clangy snare....without ruining it.

tight but undefined tune on the top skin and decently low tune on the lower skin, a steel snare not a wooden one, hitting off center helps.

That's if you were sampling, if you have samples you like that have the right qualities, layer them, filter, them, and play with the envelopes to sculpt it how you want.

and don't focus as much on reverb on the snare alone, it's important to use bits of reverb on different busses(one on the snare itself, one for the whole kit, one for the whole mix, for example)
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Re: Getting that clangy snare....without ruining it.

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A lot of the snares in the songs I provided I think sound like they were recording in small rooms....either way, gotta find a way to dial in that verb because a lot of these drums sound dry/made more for like a house context.
I was gonna say, I almost thought they were really bringing out the inside of the snare, possibly by micing it somehow? I think the Alesis samples (I've got them in a project right now) might work best. Fruity Reeverb 2 has a drumroom preset, it does a pretty good small space. You could run that first to try and add some of those extra frequencies, possibly turn down the diffusion. Then you could follow that up with a longer reverb to dial in your room/space/performance sound. Maybe use a different second verb so that the modulations between the two are different.

EDIT: HA, I didn't see oly's advice there until after I put this up. Anyways, this is how I'd go about it to start.

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Re: Getting that clangy snare....without ruining it.

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Idk, I just popped open my folder of Alesis SR-16 samples and found a piccolo....I'm not sure if it's really the pitch of the drum or the pitch of the reverb. A lot of the snares in the songs I provided I think sound like they were recording in small rooms....either way, gotta find a way to dial in that verb because a lot of these drums sound dry/made more for like a house context.
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lol, sr16 is probably the worst thing to try to use

dont get me wrong, i love that sound but not for this sort of thing.

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Re: Getting that clangy snare....without ruining it.

Comb Filter / Short Delay with low period and some feedback. Mix like 30%wet.

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Old 04-13-2017, 11:54 AM   #11
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Re: Getting that clangy snare....without ruining it.

Funny you mention delay, I was messing with the sytrus snare patch and was stacking delay through the bank plugin....you get some pretty good overtones there.
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check oput the seamless sytrus snare patch play around with that useing short delay expansion and some distortion
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This guy I like. ...he's got good beat work. I think I saw Ford's page. ...could be good for the samples.
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Re: Getting that clangy snare....without ruining it.

You need to get proper samples. That's a technique done on the snare physically, rather than using DSP.

However, there are "metallic" DSP effects such as:

Reverbs in short Size -parameters.
Comb filters with cranked up resonance parameter.

Which may enable you to create samples in the "similar" style.
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You need to get proper samples. That's a technique done on the snare physically, rather than using DSP.

However, there are "metallic" DSP effects such as:

Reverbs in short Size -parameters.
Comb filters with cranked up resonance parameter.

Which may enable you to create samples in the "similar" style.
True. ...I have a lot of samples but I haven't seen a lot I'm thrilled about so I thought potentially learning to make them from scratch would teach me what areas to hone in on to find what I want.
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True. ...I have a lot of samples but I haven't seen a lot I'm thrilled about so I thought potentially learning to make them from scratch would teach me what areas to hone in on to find what I want.
Except that there's only so much one can do with DSP.

When I was less experienced I used to think the possibilities of DSP were broad. That you can "make any kind of sound". After learning the sound and usage of pretty much every existing technique available I realized that unless one aims for purely synthetic sounds, then one cannot replace, what is not in the original samples. DSP rarely (although sometimes) can create "better" than what you put in. But usually you have to start with a proper "base sound", such as the correct type of sample.
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True. ...I have a lot of samples but I haven't seen a lot I'm thrilled about so I thought potentially learning to make them from scratch would teach me what areas to hone in on to find what I want.
trust me i have a degree in sound desighn and a terminology in pretty much all kinds of synthesis and synthasizeing techniques one thing i do know is you cant synthesize real drum sounds properly, or acoustic sounds in general you can come close but not to the fact that its usable.
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You need to get proper samples. That's a technique done on the snare physically, rather than using DSP.

However, there are "metallic" DSP effects such as:

Reverbs in short Size -parameters.
Comb filters with cranked up resonance parameter.

Which may enable you to create samples in the "similar" style.
Part of it is not knowing certain things. Like that the "cut high" knob on the stock reverb plug isn't for cutting out all the treble from the reverb .

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Re: Getting that clangy snare....without ruining it.

Alesis D4 samples might get you closer to the clangy steel drum sound. Play with the pitch, layer a few together, obv. If you can't find em, I can upload mine. Snr06-ClasscRM-38 pitched up would probably sound damn close to that Last Days of Humanity snare. In fact a ton of these are good for that early 90s death and grind music.

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