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Old 03-04-2017, 10:09 AM   #1
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Parallel filters: do you even?

I realised that pretty much all of my synth patches us filters in serial rather than in parallel.

Any of you has any interesting technique to share that would require using filters in parallel?

I don't need education, I know the difference thank you, just looking for practical examples, patches ideas.

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Old 03-04-2017, 03:27 PM   #2
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Re: Parallel filters: do you even?

I've been doing some production and sound design for a *ahem, psytrance project. For creating loads of movement and for thinning out synth lines so we can stack them high, i like to parallel LPF followed by BPF, the LPF in conjunction w my filter ADSR shapes the LPF attack and decay, while the BPF is modulated by hand to create the movement.

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Old 03-04-2017, 03:33 PM   #3
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Re: Parallel filters: do you even?

Really common moving for that growly or liquid midrange in DnB/Dubstep. Look at Spor's (FeedMe) work. I think there is a lot of parallel band pass filtering there with different effects per layer. Like Chase suggests to create movement. That was a the thing to do for a while, these "layered" bass patches that got split then bussed, compressed etc.

I see parallel filtering as primarily a way to take control over a specific frequency band and make it do something pretty different from another frequency band. Maybe that is too obvious a statement.

I guess what I'm talking about tends to happen on the mixer, rather than the synth--however its something I do quite often in Massive. Actually kinda now wanting this feature on the A4, though I'm not entirely sure the A4's filters aren't parallel (I'm actually not sure they aren't, but pretty sure they aren't).

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Re: Parallel filters: do you even?

I tend to use them in series, so the second filter is mostly use to clean up the first one, hence mostly a hi filter for me.

Good call about the layering, so I can layer in one synth rather than layering multiple ones.

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Old 03-04-2017, 04:49 PM   #5
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Re: Parallel filters: do you even?

Opposite phased lfo on either one to create almost like a ping pong effect. @[Only registered and activated users can see links. Click here to register]
I am not tracking what you mean. To me sounds more like in series what you were suggesting

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Re: Parallel filters: do you even?

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Really common moving for that growly or liquid midrange in DnB/Dubstep. Look at Spor's (FeedMe) work. I think there is a lot of parallel band pass filtering there with different effects per layer. Like Chase suggests to create movement. That was a the thing to do for a while, these "layered" bass patches that got split then bussed, compressed etc.

I see parallel filtering as primarily a way to take control over a specific frequency band and make it do something pretty different from another frequency band. Maybe that is too obvious a statement.

I guess what I'm talking about tends to happen on the mixer, rather than the synth--however its something I do quite often in Massive. Actually kinda now wanting this feature on the A4, though I'm not entirely sure the A4's filters aren't parallel (I'm actually not sure they aren't, but pretty sure they aren't).

Blah blah. I'm supposed to be grading : )
its eq band automation mainly and comb filtering not bandpass
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Old 05-04-2017, 05:58 AM   #7
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Re: Parallel filters: do you even?

I tend to go in series as well, but it's worth a shot.

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Re: Parallel filters: do you even?

I was playing around with filters on the Blofeld last night, weird architecture, I can set the volume of individual oscillators going into each filter but I can't set the volume of the output of each filter...

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Re: Parallel filters: do you even?

I usually do series if I do more than one filter at all. But, I've pulled out parallel on a few occasions where I want resonant peaks to interact with each other at the same volume (because filters change the volume of a sound going through it, so doing the same thing in series can be slightly to very different depending on how the filters and resonance are implemented).

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Re: Parallel filters: do you even?

I only use parallel filtering in a DAW setting on chains with other effects (maybe I'm doing it wrong). Otherwise the phasing becomes ridiculous.

In Alchemy, it's fun to put an LFO on the filter knob when the filters are set to go parallel, if that's an application thereof. Two different bandpasses can make for an unevenly resonant sound, which goes well with way too much reverb. I'm pretty sure this can be done for cool pads in Massive, too (I still use both, whatever).

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Re: Parallel filters: do you even?

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its eq band automation mainly and comb filtering not bandpass
Thanks! Yes. Comb filtering and the band pass automation. But also a lot of frequency splitting on the mixer using EQs or filters, though I guess that is only parallel filtering if you want to be really technical.

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Re: Parallel filters: do you even?

You can have 2-3 BP filters in parallel, and automate or control the frequency, width, and resonance according to data on vowels, easy to find online. Then you got yourself a little formant filter.

You can do this in a synth or in your mixer.

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Re: Parallel filters: do you even?

i <3 parallel everything, especially filters.
you can use them to help bring part of the sound out and move it around to add a little more to a sound.
or another thing i like doing is adding a slight delay to one and overlapping them slightly to get comb filtering in certain areas. you can also rely on the phase shift of the filter to get this effect, which can be more, or less, interesting.

i often send a signal through multiple filters and apply different effects to each. it can give some nice results when moving the cutoffs around.

just a couple of ideas, there are so many things you can do!

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