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Old 15-10-2016, 05:43 AM   #1
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[Electronic Dance Music] IDMf048 An Illusion of Movement - RFJ

My submission for the now defunct for the good of the label IDMf048. Been just trying to have fun with stuff recently and not take myself so seriously. This is the result. Track is about 15 instances of Serum, 2 instances of Exhale, Kick 2 and various perc samples. This track was loads of fun to make, hope that comes through in the listen. Track was submitted just like this with the exception of additional loudness for playback purposes here.

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Old 15-10-2016, 06:00 AM   #2
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Re: [Electronic Dance Music] IDMf048 An Illusion of Movement - RFJ

Haha wow this is different for you. I feel like I've gone back to the 90s or something. Just need a diva vocal on top. Or maybe a white dude fake rapping about his buttocks. I think it's the kick and sound of the synth that makes me feel that way. I used to listen to a lot of "techno" back then. All the Chris Sheppard stuff.

I don't like the change at 3:38 and the silence at 0:36 is a bit too much.

It's fun, and it's cool to play around and do something different but it's kind of like ambient dance music. It's dance-ish, but you wouldn't really dance to it.
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Old 15-10-2016, 07:19 AM   #3
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first time post. wanted to check out a link in another thread and needed one post to view. this was the first thread i found and clicked. pleasently surprised. i dug your track. you could definitely feel a happiness in it. thanks for it. and letting me use this as a window to future learning
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Old 15-10-2016, 07:32 AM   #4
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first time post. wanted to check out a link in another thread and needed one post to view. this was the first thread i found and clicked. pleasently surprised. i dug your track. you could definitely feel a happiness in it. thanks for it. and letting me use this as a window to future learning
Well, glad you found your way to IDMf and to my listening booth thread for your first post / experience with the community we have here. Thanks for the listen man. Lots of solid output in general here in the listening booth section of the forum, have a look around and welcome!

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Haha wow this is different for you. I feel like I've gone back to the 90s or something. Just need a diva vocal on top. Or maybe a white dude fake rapping about his buttocks. I think it's the kick and sound of the synth that makes me feel that way. I used to listen to a lot of "techno" back then. All the Chris Sheppard stuff.

I don't like the change at 3:38 and the silence at 0:36 is a bit too much.

It's fun, and it's cool to play around and do something different but it's kind of like ambient dance music. It's dance-ish, but you wouldn't really dance to it.
Yeah relic told me this wants a female vocalist. I know one here in town that I've worked with before but she's busy most other times with real life stuff so I usually only pull that card around Christmas time. We're getting together for a session next month actually as soon as I bang out this years arrangement. I much prefer Ambient Dance Music as a genre for this over what I tagged it as and think it's more fitting. If I stick with this style for a bit I'll tag it as such next time for sure.

Thanks for the listen and the feedback man, it's much appreciated.

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Old 16-10-2016, 07:40 PM   #5
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Re: [Electronic Dance Music] IDMf048 An Illusion of Movement - RFJ

Just thought I'd give this another listen for the hell of it. Still really enjoying this : )

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Old 16-10-2016, 08:25 PM   #6
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Re: [Electronic Dance Music] IDMf048 An Illusion of Movement - RFJ

Glad to see a pro submission posted up. Clean professional production, for sure. However, to me, it sounds bland and without discernible character. The arpeggio at 2:40 does little to overcome that, but it's too little too late. It's a bunch of super saws creating an illusion of movement, but never really going anywhere and the percussion is rather unimaginative. I think this sounds rather harsh, but I think we owe it to each other to be candid. To me EDM is about punchy driving energy and, above all, catchy melodies and vocals. Use of Exhale is great, but where is the melodies? Don't shy away from snare tools, risers, and drops. I am sure you can do better!

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Old 16-10-2016, 09:16 PM   #7
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Glad to see a pro submission posted up. Clean professional production, for sure.
Thanks for the props on the mix, one of my main goals over the last year is to really focus on putting out as close to a professional clean product I can. I realize I'm not all the way there yet, and there is always room to grow in this regard, but I'm stoked it sounds reasonably "pro" on your playback system.

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However, to me, it sounds bland and without discernible character. The arpeggio at 2:40 does little to overcome that, but it's too little too late. It's a bunch of super saws creating an illusion of movement, but never really going anywhere and the percussion is rather unimaginative. I think this sounds rather harsh, but I think we owe it to each other to be candid.
Don't worry about being harsh here. Nobody gets better with a hand job. I won't pretend though like the feedback didn't hit the gut slightly. I won't disagree with anything you've said. Especially in the area of percussion. My problem is I get to about the three week mark of working on something and I start wanting to really just finish it. So I wind up abandoning certain ideas in favor of moving onto the mixing stage. With my next EP or full length release I'll try and make a conscious effort to not do this.

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To me EDM is about punchy driving energy and, above all, catchy melodies and vocals. Use of Exhale is great, but where is the melodies? Don't shy away from snare tools, risers, and drops. I am sure you can do better!
What I will say is perhaps I shouldn't have marked this EDM. I'm really not trying to do that. I really hate drops, snare rolls, and can barely abide the white noise I threw in this piece. I heard some progressive house I really liked at the beginning of the summer and decided to see what would happen if I changed my style up a bit for a track or two. This is what I came up with but don't foresee me staying with it too long. It's my goal to take what I've learned mixing this style and bring that into what I normally do and perhaps get a blend of both.

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Old 16-10-2016, 10:49 PM   #8
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Re: [Electronic Dance Music] IDMf048 An Illusion of Movement - RFJ

Nice production.. Being honest I know where the need for the female vocalist stems from. It's got an 80's vibe with some great modern timbres...it's almost Eurythmics with the what sounds like Oberheim sounding arps. The first part though (it's Sunday night here and the Mrs is watching X-Factor, someone standing on the stage waiting to sing with a long intro, head down holding mic.

That aside, it's a good track and I think it's kind of been said, the structure feels lacking with direction, which would point to the EDM ears looking for some rises and builds as there are no main vocals or melody to carry the track or break it up. By the 3 min mark I was losing interest and I can understand why you added that change of direction with the track close to that time mark.

At this point Ill say Im a better listener and critique, than production musician [cant hide from my soundcloud] so hats off to you

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Re: [Electronic Dance Music] IDMf048 An Illusion of Movement - RFJ

Listened to this 3 times in a row now and I really like it. reminds me of late 90s early 00s epic house/trance but with a slightly more modern sound. It's not a peak time track, more something that you could use to build a set with, which you don't get with a lot of EDM these days.
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Old 19-10-2016, 01:42 AM   #10
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Nice production.. Being honest I know where the need for the female vocalist stems from. It's got an 80's vibe with some great modern timbres...it's almost Eurythmics with the what sounds like Oberheim sounding arps. The first part though (it's Sunday night here and the Mrs is watching X-Factor, someone standing on the stage waiting to sing with a long intro, head down holding mic.

That aside, it's a good track and I think it's kind of been said, the structure feels lacking with direction, which would point to the EDM ears looking for some rises and builds as there are no main vocals or melody to carry the track or break it up. By the 3 min mark I was losing interest and I can understand why you added that change of direction with the track close to that time mark.

At this point Ill say Im a better listener and critique, than production musician [cant hide from my soundcloud] so hats off to you
Thanks for the feedback here man. Yeah seems to be the general consensus that it needs more in terms of melody and ear candy. I thought the pitched vocal synth that is there was enough to carry it, perhaps not.

I actually tried putting some type of more focused melody in a few times but I found it to conflict with the pitched vocals I mentioned. I'm always concerned that something is going to be too busy, get cluttered and muddy, and try and have the mix in mind above all else when composing. Perhaps I was too concerned with that type of stuff with this one, which lead to it being a little sparse.

Thanks for the listen man and the solid feedback is much appreciated.

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Listened to this 3 times in a row now and I really like it. reminds me of late 90s early 00s epic house/trance but with a slightly more modern sound. It's not a peak time track, more something that you could use to build a set with, which you don't get with a lot of EDM these days.
Cool! Glad you liked the track enough to give it a few listens. Yeah, not a peak time track for sure. Glad to hear it has a modern sound to your ears. That's pretty much what I was going for, only without all the annoying bits of modern that I find, in quite a few modern dance-type tracks.


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Old 19-10-2016, 02:04 AM   #11
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Re: [Electronic Dance Music] IDMf048 An Illusion of Movement - RFJ

I'm listening again, and I think it's really being under appreciated, there are some fantastic little touches - the little cuts before bringing the beat in for one - and if I was still DJing I'd be asking if you could do an extended version just to give me more room to mix it. All the sounds work really well together, it has great movement and tension and despite the fact i've not DJ'd in a decade I can see in my head just where and how I'd use it in a set.
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Re: [Electronic Dance Music] IDMf048 An Illusion of Movement - RFJ

I think you did a great job with this one.

Very danceable and uplifting track. And opposite many other tracks in this genre you avoid that everything is way too loud and trying to take the focus all at the same time. Very tasteful production in my opinion.

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