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Old 12-09-2014, 12:41 AM   #1
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If it doesn't have vocals it doesn't matter

discuss?

as far as i can see the people that actually get successful these days, regardless of quality of music, all have lyrics/vocals on their music

this is how people get very well known with their debut album out of nowhere. this applies to you producers... youve made 2 EPs and an album of exceptional electronic music? nobody really gives a fuck. find a great singer and make an EP with them on every track and i guarantee it will make much, much more waves

in the 90s this maybe didnt matter but imo this is the huge key to success for today. spend 3 years making a release with properly written and bespoke vocals as opposed to an EP every 6 months

again... discuss??

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Old 12-09-2014, 04:11 AM   #2
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Re: If it doesnt have vocals it doesnt matter

Depends on which label you are looking for sure vocals can work. Just keep in mind that there is no such thing as an overnight success.

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Old 12-09-2014, 04:18 AM   #3
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Re: If it doesnt have vocals it doesnt matter

This isn't really a new phenomenon. Exceptional music has never really made a splash because it usually requires an acquired taste to get into from the start. The mainstream just wants songs about beer that 'goes with the flow' and doesn't make any kind of long lasting impact on the listener.

It's not any wonder why a lot of us, as producers, avoid the mainstream entirely for the most part. It's music for people who have no idea how to make music, because if they did, David Guetta would be laughed at by the entire world for being where he is now. Songs without vocals don't tell you how to feel, and that scares some people who don't understand how to interpret abstract music for themselves and form their own opinions. I'm rambling, but it's not hard to see why things are the way they are.
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Old 12-09-2014, 04:37 AM   #4
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....songs about beer that 'goes with the flow' ...
I see what you did there.

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...Songs without vocals don't tell you how to feel, and that scares some people...
I need to address this. There's an opinion I've seen pop up a few times on electronic music forums amongst those who make instrumental music, and there's this vibe that vocals might 'tell you how to feel' or perhaps is seen as something that dumbs down the music. I generally can't agree with this generalisation. Sure, it happens a bit - but some of my favourite music has incredibly abstract words/vocals on it and alot of it I don't even understand. But it can be great just to hear a voice in there if you want to relate to your music on a human level. I get both camps, but I don't see why it has to be one way or the other.
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Old 12-09-2014, 04:40 AM   #5
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I see what you did there.

I generally can't agree with this generalisation. Sure, it happens a bit - but some of my favourite music has incredibly abstract words/vocals on it and alot of it I don't even understand. But it can be great just to hear a voice in there if you want to relate to your music on a human level.
I didn't mean all vocals, I just mean the whole, "here's the lyrics sheet, here's the chorus where I chant the same thing over and over" mindset. Plenty of wholesome music has vocals, and even loads of abstract does, but chart-toppers are doing it wrong (personal opinion).
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Old 12-09-2014, 06:34 AM   #6
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Re: If it doesnt have vocals it doesnt matter

Well I'm working on a series of vocal tracks for the first time ever, I'll tell you how they do compared to my non-vocal stuff once that's done with
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Old 12-09-2014, 07:31 AM   #7
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Re: If it doesnt have vocals it doesnt matter

Instrumental music doesn't matter to the suburban sheep who still buy music is what your getting at.

Kvlt O))) has the right of it, sheep like to be told what to do and how to feel about it. It helps comfort them as they piss away their lives eating processed corn products whilst reading the latest gruel on buzzfeed.


The real music people still listen to instrumental music, just listen to NPR. Wile your listening you might realize real music has nothing to do with money or play counts and everything to do with the complexities of life and how humans experience it.


The words in vocals are only applicable to limited amount of people; usually just a specific demographic.
The emotions, sound design, and musical components transcend boarders and cultures. Truly epic music can be appreciated by a much larger audience than the mainstream of a single society or culture.

That said some find its necessary to climb to the top of shit mountain so their voice can be heard. Unfortunately most are corrupted by the assent, and end up just another turd on the ever growing pile of shit. Tread lightly or get sucked in.

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Old 12-09-2014, 07:40 AM   #8
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Re: If it doesnt have vocals it doesnt matter

What was the last instrumental track that was seen anywhere near the charts? Like Darude -Sandstorm?

Instrumental music as a form of entertainment has been dead for ages now. It has a place as background noise to whatever game is being played, or as a theme music to some TV show. Requiring your attention to be appreciated is seen as a problem either way.

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Old 12-09-2014, 08:29 AM   #9
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Re: If it doesn't have vocals it doesn't matter

I've seriously had people tell me they couldn't tell if they like a track unless it has vocals. They were being straight up about it too, not even a hint of irony

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Old 12-09-2014, 02:57 PM   #10
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What was the last instrumental track that was seen anywhere near the charts? Like Darude -Sandstorm?

Instrumental music as a form of entertainment has been dead for ages now.
That's just not true.

The Ajunabeats crew and Pryda Friends prove that statement wrong in ever set they play.

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Old 12-09-2014, 08:15 PM   #11
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I've seriously had people tell me they couldn't tell if they like a track unless it has vocals. They were being straight up about it too, not even a hint of irony
I've heard people say things like that too. I sometimes show Baraka as part of a visual literacy chapter in my courses and 75% of students cannot make heads or tails of it, totally lost...and I thought millennials were supposed to be all visually literate and shit...

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Old 12-09-2014, 09:39 PM   #12
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I've seriously had people tell me they couldn't tell if they like a track unless it has vocals. They were being straight up about it too, not even a hint of irony
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I wonder if it's about having a voice to connect to, or just the words themselves for those people.
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:46 PM   #13
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People quite simply like to have something to holler along to while drunkenly jumping about/dancing or driving their car. The lyrics neither need to be clever nor well produced. just look at how simple and minimal things like benni benassis satisfaction or similar tracks are.

In most run of the mill clubs music without lyrics NEVER gets played. If you want financial success you need to keep that in mind I think.

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Old 12-09-2014, 10:52 PM   #14
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Re: If it doesn't have vocals it doesn't matter

I can see that being the case, sure, FMB. Maybe not in every style though, but with popular radio friendly music yeah. It's something to sing along to which people that are not musicians can obviously relate to more than instrumentally driven music.
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Old 12-09-2014, 11:38 PM   #15
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I think this has a psychological background. I feel like people who only listen to music which has vocals need to do so because of the void, emptiness and depression they might be experiencing while listening to instrumental music.

You know, my current girlfriend has a horrible taste in music. Her favourite band is quite popular in the country, they act as if they were a laidback (sp?) cool, not-caring-about-anything group but it's shit overall, awful lyrics, horrible guitar riffs (a 'rock' band that is). Then, she also likes all the girly pop stuff, you know, a girl singing to a piano solo makes her all teary instantly, but then there's this little experiment I did:

She was lying on the bed when I played her the new Tipper album. Tipper isn't that accessible for "beginners" in electronic music but I tried. I was suprised by results. She's not that smart...and pretty ( why do I waste my time with her anyway?) but she was like affected by psychedelics, close to a first mushroom experience for a while. You know, this sense of being somewhere else, asking questions about everything, big eyes and that sort of "wow" effect. She liked that music, she told me it takes her somewhere else and pointed some examples in a fairly excited way.

I don't want to diss anybody but it's true what you say that some people need to be told what to do. This applies to rap often, you know, making you live that neighbourhood life and shit, or cheesy rock-metal fans who wear the darkest and heaviest clothes just to show their individuality which is the same as 1/4 of the town.

It's easy for people who are into music so much or are musicians themselves to appreciate different, often obscure types of music, but for a "normal pleb" these are unaccessible. Music is only a small piece of entertainment for them, just like stupid tv shows.

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I just misread this as "If it doesn't have volcanoes it doesn't matter"

*off to sample volcanoes*
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Wat

I wonder if it's about having a voice to connect to, or just the words themselves for those people.
Who can say? All I can say is that i used to hum and harmonize loudly along with the vacuum and explore the sound even when i was a child, and i grew up to be a sound tinkerer and appreciator of auditory harshness, weirdness etc. I think someone who never got/did that sort of thing is less likely to enjoy music without a voice, because they're less likely to appreciate noise for noise.

Also I would guess it has to do with whether someone has active imagination. I don't exactly get pictures or colors or anything synethesiac from sounds but I do associate certain emotional aspects with different things I hear. Both consciously and subconsciously. Its a matter of personal neurology and how you process input on a mental level.

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I just misread this as "If it doesn't have volcanoes it doesn't matter"

*off to sample volcanoes*

Give me some of whatever you're on
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90% of my stuff has vocals, but it doesn't seem to matter.

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That's just not true.

The Ajunabeats crew and Pryda Friends prove that statement wrong in ever set they play.
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