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Old 13-11-2016, 03:09 PM   #161
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That dude has as much right to be alive and live how he likes as you do.
FUCK YOU BUDDAY!
You're just some kind of out of control fat and guns shamer.
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That dude has as much right to be alive and live how he likes as you do.
FUCK YOU BUDDAY!
You're just some kind of out of control fat and guns shamer.
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Don't start on my Jesus.
your jesus is not real, my jesus is! all other jesus's's's are fake and you will spend eternity worshiping satan if you dont worship my jesus
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"Hey guys it's me Francis"?

For the record I don't believe a candidate who stakes claim the country has unfinished business.

Musicians should understand best, if something doesn't work after 8 years, something is WRONG.
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"Hey guys it's me Francis"?

For the record I don't believe a candidate who stakes claim the country has unfinished business.

Musicians should understand best, if something doesn't work after 8 years, something is WRONG.
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Old 13-11-2016, 04:18 PM   #170
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Trump is bad, but can we say Hilary would have been just as bad? The good thing about trump is that we know he is an idiot. The bad thing about hilary is her track record is supporting things that target minorities and nuclear war? Ii think trump is so stupid that he will accept anything that goes his way annd that he thinks sounds good. Pence would also be worst than trump. If anything it shows you how half the population is extremly ignorant to other cultures. Ignorant not meaning bigot as it gets used these days, but ignorance used as it was supposed to be used meaning lack of information.

Half the population fears people of color like they have always done, other people did not want to vote for either so they voted for gary johnson or harambe, and then others voted for hilary to not get trump in while some did it because they supported her.

We look at the election, but we should look at ourselves really.

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Old 13-11-2016, 04:21 PM   #171
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Trump is bad, but can we say Hilary would have been just as bad? The good thing about trump is that we know he is an idiot. The bad thing about hilary is her track record is supporting things that target minorities and nuclear war? Ii think trump is so stupid that he will accept anything that goes his way annd that he thinks sounds good. Pence would also be worst than trump. If anything it shows you how half the population is extremly ignorant to other cultures. Ignorant not meaning bigot as it gets used these days, but ignorance used as it was supposed to be used meaning lack of information.

Half the population fears people of color like they have always done, other people did not want to vote for either so they voted for gary johnson or harambe, and then others voted for hilary to not get trump in while some did it because they supported her.

We look at the election, but we should look at ourselves really.
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should we or should we not? is there any other way to go around it? it should be clear by now to everybody that there are things that are and things that although they are they also give way to different forms of power that were for long either believed to be the best method or even sometimes experienced as such. In a time of confusion, there is always places where there will be people and those people will have hands and feet and with these hands and feets, they will walk and they will stand and they will discover news paths and they will offer them to the world and when that happens, you know it's been worthwile.

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Old 13-11-2016, 04:57 PM   #174
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Hillary kept parroting "we have unfinished business" about Obama's work and that was the biggest push I heard for her to campaign.

You can't model your big influence after someone who refuses to admit that their way failed. I can't and won't put up with that kind shit. And ya, maybe some good was done for people but I don't feel like I received much else other than heavy taxes.

As Far as this "people of color" shit. ......wtf happened to people BEING PEOPLE?

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A lot of questions have been asked in this thread. Is the outcome of this election wrong? Is it bad that Trump won the election? Is Hillary any better? Is Trump a racist? Is he sexist? Does the fact that he was elected enable racists who were successfully repressed in the past? Is America fucked? Is the whole world fucked? Is democracy working? Should democracy allow people to vote for anti-democratic representatives? Is it still democracy when there's a right and a wrong vote? Is democracy only about who you will vote for once every four year? Is it the same thing we've seen with Brexit and we will probably see in the future? Can we still believe in our liberal ideals?

well, I don't know. I don't know.

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Hillary kept parroting "we have unfinished business" about Obama's work and that was the biggest push I heard for her to campaign.

You can't model your big influence after someone who refuses to admit that their way failed. I can't and won't put up with that kind shit. And ya, maybe some good was done for people but I don't feel like I received much else other than heavy taxes.

As Far as this "people of color" shit. ......wtf happened to people BEING PEOPLE?
I'm just going to leave that people of color shit alone because I can't even...

But I would like to know what your criteria for failure is? Yeah my insureance premiums went up but some 20 million people are now insured whereas before they weren't. The affordable care act neeeds refining, that I'll admit. But when you consider the fact that he took over during the largest economic crisis since the Great Depression, I think he did the best anyone could.

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Not everyone is always going to get along. There are people in the world who see things through the lens of "well what am I getting out of it?" I struggle with that too. I've decided to consciously try to be a better person. Our household income puts us right in the middle class. The people who end up "paying for everyone else" typically. It is hard to stand in line behind someone a week before payday with a hundred dollars in my checking account buying hot dogs and watching someone with an EBT card by steak.

A lot of Whole Foods Progressives are never going to get it. Just like I'm never going to get what its like to be a black man in America. I've made the choice to support the less fortunate at my own expense. Ultimately, their lives are probably still more miserable than mine. I really just want to eat steak instead of hot dogs. Like how petty is that of me? Don't they have a right to high quality, high protein food too? Why should they have to live on McDs?

My life has fluctuated dramatically from the middle class to upper middle class for over thirty years. I understand both perspectives. Some people are just never going to support social programs at their own expense. And please, spare me the Ayn Rand garbage. I went through that phase as a privileged white high school student.

Thee are some people who are willing to stand in the same room as an immigrant, a Muslim, an LGBTQ person etc but are not willing to be decent to them. I've literally seen a dude who I know owns a motorcycle leather with white power shit all over it totally snub a black costumer in my store. The black guy tried to say hello to him or something and white power asshole looked him in the eye for a minute then walked right up to me to check out.

We have a big migrant worker population in my area and a lot of Hispanic immigrants. A lot of them are our customers. On more than one occasion I've had people go watch out our door as the Hispanic customers leave to "make sure those spics don't steal my car/bike". Then make some other kind of horrible joke to me.

I guess it is better than open racism and lynch mobs?

Then there is systemic racism, which is harder to see for those who benefit from it. What ever happened to people being people? Well, the problem with that is not everyone is being treated like a person. And honestly, it is really hard for a white person. Especially a white male to see.

I know it feels like we (white straight males) are getting shit on constantly. But until most of us are willing to accept that we don't understand a life lived in a state of systemic prejudice and are willing to listen people being people, all lives matter and all that shit is a cop out. Its a rallying cry for the status quo. A lot of Progressives, especially the upper middle class ones, are fucking assholes. Trust me. I work in the god damn lions den of the fancy wine and cheese, whole foods, NPR fucktard trust. They are twat nozzles of the highest order and have no business mocking the working class, rednecks, peckerwoods, or good parts of Southern or Hillbilly culture.

Get past that. Generally speaking I don't think a lot of Democrats or Progressives give a damn about minorities, immigrants, LGBTQ people etc. Its just a game of who can be the most PC and the most Progressive and also own the most expensive Mercedes. Hillary's supporters screwed here chances because they can't pull their heads out of their asses and realize that for the past 45 years a huge section of the population has lost their good jobs and then been told their culture is "ignorant" and they just need to "get with the times." A lot of these people only have high school diplomas. They haven't had the luxury of college where you get to sit around, read a lot of stuff, here a lot of great opinions and form a more coherent world view. Instead they've just been told they are backwards morons.

Right or wrong, its hard to just throw that all away, swallow your pride and get in line. But on the other hand a lot of those people are asking to minorities, immigrants and LGBTQ people to just suck it up and live in a world where they aren't being treated equally.

There is a lot of anger, meanness and hate and very little open mindedness on both sides and I think it is an equal amount on both sides.

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And that's why I voted for Harambe. He cared about kids.
Dude, you are one of 11,000 people that wrote in Harambe for President?


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Great post @relic;.

I'm just going to be that guy and pick one small part out. I'm probably responding more to jimmusician here than you...

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Then there is systemic racism, which is harder to see for those who benefit from it. What ever happened to people being people? Well, the problem with that is not everyone is being treated like a person. And honestly, it is really hard for a white person. Especially a white male to see.
Dude it's not that hard to see at all. Take a quick look through current news or a history book and even a working class blue collar middle American can't deny what continues to happen. The fucked thing is they do deny it though with phrases like "get over it" and "it's not the 1800's anymore."

I hear these type of statements from people in my own family all the time. Granted they live in middle America so they're experience is different than mine due to geographical location. But it all comes down to people not being willing to accept responsibility for their own contributions to the culture of hate we have on our hands right now.

They just want to live their little life, behind their little white picket fence, attend their little church service, and never have to be inconvenienced by actually confronting anything at all about their own selves. So, they deny the problem and expect everyone else to just fall in line, because they're little life has panned out essentially problem free.

Anyway point is it's not that it's hard to see at all it's that people just don't want to.

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I think the thing to realize is that Trump, like all narcissists, just wants to be loved by everyone. So he is going to kiss our collective asses and try to attain all of our adoration. You wait and see. He will present himself as a great champion of unity.

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