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Old 08-06-2016, 10:37 PM   #1
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Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

Well I just discovered the huge implications these LFOs can have on the sound and I'm gonna use it in a track on my mid bass layer. What is best way of getting a LFO at like 45-80hz that controls volume (or whatever other parameter) in ableton? I know the resampler thing has a LFO built in I just wonder if I can get away without resampling the stuff. I might need to resample anyway for best results. I just like to not render to much so I can keep control over the little things without rerendering all the time.

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Old 09-06-2016, 12:41 AM   #2
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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

M4l LFO device?
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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

Resampler thing?

If you don't have Max4Live, look which of Live's Effects have an LFO build in - Autopanner, Frequency Shifter for example - and just make use of those
Also drawing waveforms in clip automation might work, not much control though...

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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

Drawing 60 Hz lfos

Never looked into max.

I'll try with those plugs and see if they can do what I want. Otherwise I settle for resampler
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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

i vote max4live as well.


also, what are the implications you have discovered?

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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

how the hell do I do midi lfo in ableton? I want to use the volume and go up and down with it but compressor didn't work, eq won't work, how?

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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

^ clip automation or m4l LFO device!
See above!
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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

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Drawing 60 Hz lfos
Yeah, I know...You can always just setup a synth plugin with LFO modulation for a comparison...

Also Sampler has a ton of modulation options - So you could just resample the track where you want that volume modulation, load into Sampler, set up LFO modulation and compare to the volume automation on the track you resampled from. If you set up clever loop points, it shouldn't be too difficult.

I'd definately recommend going the M4L route anyway It's rock solid these days and regarding modulation gives access to any parameter in Live.
But there's also floating windows and other workflow improvements as well as deeper integration of hardware etc.

Basically it let's you take Live exactly where you want it.

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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

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i vote max4live as well.


also, what are the implications you have discovered?
well LFO with proper speed on a sample gives it a nice gritty, sawish quality. Depending on the root note of this sample the LFO speed needs to be different, but around the 40-80hz area I think is what gives what I want. I'm gonna use it on some mid bass layers to give them a specific effect to start with,.
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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

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Yeah, I know...You can always just setup a synth plugin with LFO modulation for a comparison...

Also Sampler has a ton of modulation options - So you could just resample the track where you want that volume modulation, load into Sampler, set up LFO modulation and compare to the volume automation on the track you resampled from. If you set up clever loop points, it shouldn't be too difficult.

I'd definately recommend going the M4L route anyway It's rock solid these days and regarding modulation gives access to any parameter in Live.
But there's also floating windows and other workflow improvements as well as deeper integration of hardware etc.

Basically it let's you take Live exactly where you want it.
Yeah its just I'm a bit slow introducing new things to my workflow. I also have such a stable version running now I'm hesitant in introducing new stuff in it

I think I run with the "sampler" for now, I think it will be easiest.
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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

Well not sure anyone will read this but whatever....

So the resampler in ableton can only handle LFOs up to 30hz... That is really disappointing.

Seems like I have to get into this M4L thing. AAAhhh, the hassle. struggle is real etc
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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

Ok. What do you mean with 'Resampler'? I'm using Live since version 4, but it seems I somehow missed the Resampler. ? .
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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

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Ok. What do you mean with 'Resampler'? I'm using Live since version 4, but it seems I somehow missed the Resampler. ? .
I mean the sampler vst thing.
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Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

Well an lfo is a low frequency oscillator and they usually work in frequencies that are not audible so from that perspective it makes sense that it only goes up to about 30Hz.
Although I guess in software that limitation is probably not relevant anymore...

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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

Yeah. Anyway I want to automate volume parameter at like 40-80hz with a sine wave. Any ideas?
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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

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Yeah. Anyway I want to automate volume parameter at like 40-80hz with a sine wave. Any ideas?
I just checked and even the M4L LFO has a max rate of 40Hz (which is pretty damn fast already for an LFO). So sorry, no idea...

Edit: Have you tried setting it to a meassurement relative to your bpm instead of to a fixed frequency? The max there is 1/64th notes which depending on your bpm will probably be faster than the 30-40Hz max frequency you can set it to...

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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

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Yeah. Anyway I want to automate volume parameter at like 40-80hz with a sine wave. Any ideas?
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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

Just check some of the non-standard M4L LFOs:
LFO Zero (free) goes up to 50hz, TED by K-Devices (5) goes up to 100hz - the other ones I have in my list are based on the standard M4L LFO (max 40hz) but there are a lot more M4L LFOs to check. Good thing about these as compared to tremolo or volumeshaper effects is that you can modulate any parameter, not volume only.

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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

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Yeah. Anyway I want to automate volume parameter at like 40-80hz with a sine wave. Any ideas?
if you have Sampler, not Simpler (Sampler is part of Ableton Suite) you can do what you're describing (Amplitude Modulation) with the Pitch/Osc tab. on the left of it there is an envelope, which you can ignore. on the right there is a section that has an Oscillator for doing Freq Mod or Amp Mod (based on the 2 boxes to the left of the envelope)

the osc can be set from 10-1khz and the volume setting is akin to the depth.

give that a try?

also, i find setting loop points and other monotonous tasks pretty annoying in Sampler. You can set all that stuff (loop points and envelopes etc) in simpler and then apple/control click it and there is a tab that says:

Simpler -> Sampler - opens the same sample up in Sampler w all the settings from your Simpler.

SimplerSamplerSimplerSampler.... nonsense at this point.

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Re: Easiest way to setup ~60hz LFOs in ableton?

Can't you just set the LFO to sync to tempo, and then turn the tempo all the way up?

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