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Old 28-08-2016, 08:47 PM   #1
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[Angry nerd electronic shit. uh, WIP too] Roo Stercogburn - My Venom

Did this today. Way far from finished. Intro then verse/chorus x 2 and nothing after. Having problems getting Serum to play nice, which has slowed me down. Admittedly its only used in 2 places.



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Old 28-08-2016, 08:55 PM   #2
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Re: [Angry nerd electronic shit. uh, WIP too] My Venom

Hey guy - my first listening booth listen in ages. I don't really know how to even do this anymore. I was just listening to some Strapping Young Lad earlier (Detox specifically) and I really want to hear some screaming in the voice. The vocal effects right now are alright backing track stuff, quite cool sounding actually - but we need some anger, some.... venom!

So go chew some ginger, toss the mic in your mouth, and get screaming!
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Old 28-08-2016, 09:02 PM   #3
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More anger. Reach back and express myself. Got it.

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Old 28-08-2016, 09:14 PM   #4
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Re: [Angry nerd electronic shit. uh, WIP too] Roo Stercogburn - My Venom

Fuggin sweet. Typing as i listen.

really dig the use of different vox effects in the intro as the segue to highlight the transitions.

im an angry nerd, this tune keeps having to buffer!!!! wifi problems...

the vox fx in the section w the organ-y chords is great. funny, i just popped over to IDMF taking a break from working on vocoder patches.

are you running any master bus fx on this? i feel like the whole thing could use a little more in the say 90hz down region, to make it heavier. could be my rig though, I just re-arranged everything and im still getting accustomed to how it sounds in here now.

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Old 28-08-2016, 09:31 PM   #5
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Re: [Angry nerd electronic shit. uh, WIP too] Roo Stercogburn - My Venom

Cheers Chase. I never run anything on the master bus. However so I can hear it on MP3 player when I'm ambling around the countryside I rough-master with complete disregard for competence - Squash it all a bit then boost. That said, I don't usually have to squash too much.

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Old 28-08-2016, 09:40 PM   #6
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Cheers Chase. I never run anything on the master bus. However so I can hear it on MP3 player when I'm ambling around the countryside I rough-master with complete disregard for competence - Squash it all a bit then boost. That said, I don't usually have to squash too much.


i do the exact same thing. i have a chain i run before i render so its louderized.

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Old 29-08-2016, 01:12 AM   #7
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Re: [Angry nerd electronic shit. uh, WIP too] Roo Stercogburn - My Venom

Very cool. As others commented the Vox FX are dope, especially those for the second chorus. It's got a vaguely familiar sound to it. Kinda retro, which I like.

One suggestion: the track begs for an angry vile breakbeat. Something noisy, dark, and glitched up.
Maybe a distorted sub bass like on Smack my bitch up. Digging the vibe.

And, may I ask what vocoder you used? That's exactly the sort of sound I was going for last time I toyed with my vocoder, but no joy.

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Old 29-08-2016, 01:18 AM   #8
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Can't seem to get it to work!
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Old 29-08-2016, 09:51 AM   #9
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Can't seem to get it to work!
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Old 29-08-2016, 10:19 AM   #10
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Very cool. As others commented the Vox FX are dope, especially those for the second chorus. It's got a vaguely familiar sound to it. Kinda retro, which I like.

One suggestion: the track begs for an angry vile breakbeat. Something noisy, dark, and glitched up.
Maybe a distorted sub bass like on Smack my bitch up. Digging the vibe.
Cheers matey, appreciated.

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And, may I ask what vocoder you used? That's exactly the sort of sound I was going for last time I toyed with my vocoder, but no joy.
Well, lets do that thing that few ever do. Here are the exact settings and products I used. The only thing not shown is EQ but that doesn't matter because everyone has to EQ based on the project they have in progress.

Ok chaps. Lets nerd!

First of all, the vocoding itself is done with The Mouth. Settings in the pic, notes underneath:

Input: Basic Tuned
Synth: Sharp
Voc: Soundwave
Bass: Bass 1
FX: Medium Delay

You'll notice most of the sliders for those settings are zeroed so don't matter much. Just included for completeness.

Then its run through Guitar Rig 5 as such:

In this case, its the "Clean Bass" preset. That's right. Its a preset. Elitists, get busy with the sneering.

However, here's the secret sauce for most good vocoding I've found:

Distortion. A *very* small amount carefully applied. Doesn't matter how you do it and the feel varies depending on whether you want straight distortion or perhaps some kind of tube driver. In the above case, I was looking for a simple bass boost because it plays on its own.

Now, that's not the whole story. Here's another something I discovered. When working with The Mouth, I find that if I use melodyne to pitch shift the vocals 100% to the pitch that will be vocoded, the vocoder doesn't seem to have to work so hard and the results are cleaner. When vocoding, I nearly always use a midi track to control the pitch. I don't trust vocoders to do their own thing, even though they usually have that option: Midi for me. The melodyne pitch shifting has to be as close to the actual midi track as possible in terms of when notes change and the pitch it moves to.

So my workflow is:

1) Record vocals.
2) Melodyne edit vocals.
3) Apply The Mouth, or whatever your vocoder of choice is. Get rid of all the uncessary FX.
4) Apply distortion/tube/whatever.
5) EQ as appropriate for where it fits in the project.

In the above project, the same piece of vocoding is used twice. Once where it sits on its own and has the entire frequency band to itself i.e. very little EQ needed. Then I exported the audio and reimported to a second track for usage within the verse of the song. That has some hi-pass on it so that it doesn't interfere with the bassline and various drums.

To finish up, a note on general vocoding - most of the built-in FX and such I've found with vocoders are dreadful. Ok for making that sci-fi noise you want to use once a decade but the rest of the time they just interfere with the work at hand. Careful choice of FX outside of the vocoder are usually what works for me. I've not used very many vocoders but the few I've played with have all been the same in this regard.

As always, anything I write should be taken with a Siberian salt mine. This is just my experience and way of working, doesn't have to be anyone else's. I hope this helps

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Old 29-08-2016, 10:21 AM   #11
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Re: [Angry nerd electronic shit. uh, WIP too] Roo Stercogburn - My Venom

Great track. As chase mentioned, i think it could be slightly heavier, maybe just the main riff. Overall it sounds very clean. I like the organ.

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Old 29-08-2016, 11:28 AM   #12
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Re: [Angry nerd electronic shit. uh, WIP too] Roo Stercogburn - My Venom

Thanks for the great tutorial, Roo!

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Old 29-08-2016, 12:49 PM   #13
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Thanks for the great tutorial, Roo!
Welcome LA.

I've updated the track. I've now got more or less a complete structure and I've added more batshit, which probably needs toned down a little.

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Old 29-08-2016, 01:12 PM   #14
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:42 PM   #15
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Re: [Angry nerd electronic shit. uh, WIP too] Roo Stercogburn - My Venom

Fleshing out cool for sure - time for some real feedback.

I find the transition at 0:13 just way too sudden. Maybe if the distorted guitar(?) sound continued a bit longer or something.

The backing synth or whatever Doo doo doo duh duhn duh - that starts at 0:16 - I find it carries on a bit too long without changing. Even just some modulation/filter work on it? I tend to err on the side of too busy though so who knows. It displays as kind of a pink colour on the bottom bar on hearthis.at though. It's not even that it goes for that long, it's just prominent and doesn't change until it really changes.

You definitely hardened it up with the sounds towards the end - pretty good times there.

Still waiting to hear what you got in those lungs though There's some room in there yet.
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Old 31-08-2016, 10:45 AM   #16
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Some minor updates. Got rid of the annoying bass hum that was driving me crazy and I couldn't figure out where. Turns out it was Guitar Rig on one of the bass drum channels. Added counter-melody arp in second half of second verse, started on general tidying doing things like freezing tracks so I could stop the tails of some bars bleeding into the next section, basic stuff like that.

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Fleshing out cool for sure - time for some real feedback.

I find the transition at 0:13 just way too sudden. Maybe if the distorted guitar(?) sound continued a bit longer or something.

The backing synth or whatever Doo doo doo duh duhn duh - that starts at 0:16 - I find it carries on a bit too long without changing. Even just some modulation/filter work on it? I tend to err on the side of too busy though so who knows. It displays as kind of a pink colour on the bottom bar on hearthis.at though. It's not even that it goes for that long, it's just prominent and doesn't change until it really changes.

You definitely hardened it up with the sounds towards the end - pretty good times there.

Still waiting to hear what you got in those lungs though There's some room in there yet.
Cheers for the feedback. I've taken a lot of this on board when I sat down to look at this project again. No vocal update yet. Still need to tone down some of the distortion on the vocals in places.

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Re: [Angry nerd electronic shit. uh, WIP too] Roo Stercogburn - My Venom

I can hear this on a movie or a show. Or even on a fighting game. Great track tho and I'm glad to see someone using the mouth PLUS guitar rig. It's quality stuff.

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I love the whole vibe of the track, would be wicked on a skate edit. There's some great sounds in it and it just makes me want to stomp about the place.

there does seem to be something going on in the high end, and I had to turn it down cos it was really wearing - I am listening on shitty laptop speakers but it may be worth looking at your mix
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Old 02-09-2016, 09:21 PM   #19
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Cheers K, I'll have a nosey at the high end when I'm next coherent. If it encourages stompage, I've done something right, even if never sure quite what

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