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Old 06-03-2012, 06:37 PM   #1
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important hardware/synths

Hi guys,

I think that there allready is a topic like this but i cant' find in the first 5/6 pages so here I go.
I make music that you can compare to moby, air, air france, ... and i'm thinking of buying my first synthesizer.
What would you guys think I should buy? Doesnt matter what the price is. If cheap its easier to buy, if its more expensive than i just have to save some money. quality above quantity.
So give your thoughts !

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Old 06-03-2012, 06:47 PM   #2
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Re: important hardware/synths

I know for a fact Moby has a Roland Jupiter 6 and Juno 106. He obviously has others, but I read an article with him stating he uses those two. I don't have any experience with either of them, though I've heard great things from both.

Spending the most doesn't always means you're getting what you need, I'd say find one that fits your needs most.

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Old 06-03-2012, 08:17 PM   #3
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Re: important hardware/synths

I use u-he softsynths (Zebra, ACE and DIVA) with a novation midi controller and it works great. They sound amazing and are cheaper than any hardware synth. You can also demo them for free so you'll easily know if you like them or not.

Give them a try
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Old 07-03-2012, 03:52 AM   #4
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Re: important hardware/synths

Softsynths work fine too.

don't think you HAVE to use hardware synths to get pro results.
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Re: important hardware/synths

Do people just like opening their gobs for the sake of it?

Answer the freaking question and stop trying to sell "your" way of doing things.

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Although there are number of other synths, both modern and oldschool that will suit your needs. Although for your first synth I would stick to a modern synth and never skimp with quality. You only need one good poly, and it will last you a lifetime. Everything else is just fluff

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Re: important hardware/synths

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Do people just like opening their gobs for the sake of it?

Answer the freaking question and stop trying to sell "your" way of doing things.
Is this directed at me?

I love hardware. I'd use a fuckton of it if i could afford it(as it is i'm all freeware for VSTs). I didn't tell him not to buy a hardware synth... i didn't try to 'sell' anything. What the shit mang.

anyways, if you INSIST on me 'answering the question' i say try out as many as you can in person as much as you can until you find one you adore and can't stop coming back to.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:06 AM   #7
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Re: important hardware/synths

The Ms-2000 is fairly cheap and, a fine synth to learn on as all the controls are easily laid out on the panel. You can learn quite a bit by firing up the motion sequencer, turning knobs and seeing how each function affects the sound.

But as stated before you don't need hardware of any kind to start making music.

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Do people just like opening their gobs for the sake of it? Answer the freaking question and stop trying to sell "your" way of doing things.
wtf?

Also...I wouldn't run out and drop large sums of money on a synth if I have never owned a synth before. While the Prophet is a wonderful piece of gear I would look into something else.

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Old 07-03-2012, 11:23 AM   #8
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Re: important hardware/synths

Oh sorry guys, my bad, I thought Siebek was asking for a discussion on what he should buy as his first hardware synthesiser; indicating that he already made music comparably to Moby, Air and Air France, and so; naturally wants a synthesiser that will help in this musical aspiration, expressing that money wasn't an issue and that quality was very important to him.

Your'e right, he probably doesn't know about VST's.

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Old 07-03-2012, 01:54 PM   #9
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Re: important hardware/synths

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Oh sorry guys, my bad, I thought Siebek was asking for a discussion on what he should buy as his first hardware synthesiser; indicating that he already made music comparably to Moby, Air and Air France, and so; naturally wants a synthesiser that will help in this musical aspiration, expressing that money wasn't an issue and that quality was very important to him.

Your'e right, he probably doesn't know about VST's.
hehehe

i've checked a lot of synths (expensive and cheap) but I have the feeling every synth has somewhat that same sound.
Or you have the soft synth: very vangelis, typical strings from 90's trance
or you have the hard synth: very new wave with typical simple leads.

I think i see this wrong. I make music on my computer with the help of a midi-keyboard and I make most of my sounds in reason. Just lots of sampling, vocoding, reverbing, compressing, everything... till I have this cool sound (for my ear). I better should enter some music bits of me inside this topic to explain where I wanna go. But till now I think making your own sounds + midi sound a lot better than a any synth but maybe I oon't understand the possibilities with synthesizers... I just wanna take it a bit more professional , and for my perception, some hardware seems legit in a music studio. Or am I seeing this wrong?
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Good descriptions and reviews and a little list at the end of each article telling which famous musicians use them.

If you are not totally sold on the idea of hardware I would suggest buying used so that if it does not suit your needs you can turn around and sell it for what you paid for it.
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Old 07-03-2012, 03:44 PM   #11
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Also try Sound on Sound for great reviews and second hand market

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Old 07-03-2012, 03:50 PM   #12
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Re: important hardware/synths

I would say do not buy something just because it is hardware. Buy it because it will make the type of sounds you want better than anything else within your price range. Whether it comes from a hardware, software, analog, digital, vintage, or modern unit is beside the point.

I suggest at least trying to work with a hardware synth for a little while though. The work flow is different and a bit more constrained. The sound quality tends to be noticably richer and once your get your sampled gear inside of reason you can do whatever you want to it.

Alot of people prefer working ITB because it is a simpler and more flexible way of doing things. Until you try making some music on a peice of gear that has a bunch of dedicated knobs though, you may never know what you are missing.
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+1 for buying second hand - there is no better way to learn about synths than actual hands on knowledge. Buying and selling gear, owning a variety of gear over time will give you the best appreciation of that gear.

Buy a synth, try it for a while, sell it, buy another synth, sell it, buy something else, gaining knowledge on the way, forming your own educated opinion. If you do this right, you shouldnt lose any money, you might even make a bit.

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^^ +1
People should listen to this man more often than they seem to.
(I'm not necessarily talking about anyone who's posted in this thread btw)
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Buy a synth, try it for a while, sell it, buy another synth, sell it, buy something else, gaining knowledge on the way, forming your own educated opinion. If you do this right, you shouldnt lose any money, you might even make a bit.
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I've been doing this for a while now, loving the whole process, learning lots in the way and refining my process and workflow...
+1

I've had my fair share of gear, both vintage analog and VA (ax60, kawai k3, miniak, evolver, tempest, also played microkorg, alpha juno, voyager XL), I came to the conclusion almost every sound can be emulated in softsynths. It might not be 100% the same, but you can't tell the difference in a mix. I've tried to recreate several patches from these HW synths in softsynths with great succes.
So it's not the improved sound that makes gear cool, but the fun you have playing with knobs, and the workflow on that device. You learn a great deal about sound design too. So get something with knobs!

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Re: important hardware/synths

would you want a controller to go with your synth? or just the synthesizer? like this:

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