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Old 02-15-2017, 11:58 PM   #1
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is it just me or music like this is really easy to produce

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Old 02-16-2017, 12:52 AM   #2
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Re: your oppinion on this

My oppinion is that it's a matter of taste, not a matter of technical prowess. For me, how difficult something is to make isn't a measure of it's worth. As an example, hamburgers are really easy to make, but they taste really great. Creme brulee is a huge pain in the ass, but I find it pretty mediocre as far as food goes.

Reading your posts makes me think you must revere Vladimir Horowitz and Steve Vai and Charlie Parker, but your music makes me think otherwise. It's a real conundrum.
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Old 02-16-2017, 01:13 AM   #3
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Re: your oppinion on this

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is it just me or music like this is really easy to produce
What do you mean "easy to produce"? Making ambient music doesn't take much effort? Slap few textures together, add a generic reverb and you're done, right? Genius! You just gave a link to Cryo Chamber label, that, imo, is one of the highest tier dark ambient labels right now. Have you made music like this before? Have you tried to mix music like this and not making everything sound like a crap? Textures like these are complex in their own way. It always seems easy after you're listening to a full result. I find this thread insulting so fuck you for doing that.

edit: you seem to quite often complain how this and that is simple/stupid when irl you're stuck with "it's my first week with DAW" pancakes.

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Old 02-16-2017, 01:21 AM   #4
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What do you mean "easy to produce"? Making ambient music doesn't take much effort? Slap few textures together, add a generic reverb and you're done, right? Genius! You just gave a link to Cryo Chamber label, that, imo, is one of the highest tier dark ambient labels right now. Have you made music like this before? Have you tried to mix music like this and not making everything sound like a crap? Textures like these are complex in their own way. It always seems easy after you're listening to a full result. I find this thread insulting so fuck you for doing that.
Don't let him bother you. He is going through that "anti everything" negativity phase. Pretty sure his last dozen post have been shitting on something or trolling.
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Old 02-16-2017, 01:28 AM   #5
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Is it just me, or is music like this really easy to write?

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Is it just me, or is music like this really easy to write?

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Where's the drop? Did he write that in FL or Ableton? If he wasn't such a bedroom scrub he could have collabed with a dope vocalist and made it big instead of dying all deaf and drunk and pissy.
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Old 02-16-2017, 02:05 AM   #7
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chill guys, i didn't intend bash anything just wanted to test waters and asked your opinion

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Old 02-16-2017, 05:30 AM   #8
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is it just me or music like this is really easy to produce
lol, tru tho
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Old 02-16-2017, 08:52 PM   #9
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chill guys, i didn't intend bash anything just wanted to test waters and asked your opinion
No you didn't, you asked for our 'oppinion'. Waters be ice cold
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:18 PM   #10
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Re: your oppinion on this

I think I have actually said this to you once before. Making good minimal stuff is actually quite challenging. Especially if you do not want people to be bored by it after the first min or so.
I think you should just try it and see for yourself. It would be a good exercise and you might learn something new along the way.

And I mean this in a serious, non-bashing way.

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Old 02-16-2017, 11:59 PM   #11
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No you didn't, you asked for our 'oppinion'. Waters be ice cold
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:10 AM   #12
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Re: your oppinion on this

It's harder than it is perceived to be. Getting the sounds and ambiences, spacial elements in the mix, reverb lengths and sounds all combined to create a huge depth of field without everything clashing...it's as easy as your technical ability limits you.

Had a go a couple of times and it's not easy. But then I am not talented like many.

Why not have a pop at it and share you results?

Check out the ambient forums (think A.M is the likely authority with experience that I've met in IDM regarding this style).

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Old 02-17-2017, 12:10 AM   #13
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Creme brulee is a huge pain in the ass, but I find it pretty mediocre as far as food goes.
Crême brulée isn't that hard to make, it's like panna cotta. It just has to sit in the fridge for a few hours so you have to plan for it in advance. That's the only problem I have with that dessert. The melted sugar on top is just one of the best things in the universe. I'd be ready to buy a torch just so I can make that.

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Old 02-17-2017, 12:13 AM   #14
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Crême brulée isn't that hard to make, it's like panna cotta. It just has to sit in the fridge for a few hours so you have to plan for it in advance. That's the only problem I have with that dessert. The melted sugar on top is just one of the best things in the universe. I'd be ready to buy a torch just so I can make that.
It's harder to make than hamburgers. That was my only point. And I don't like sweet things so it doesn't do much for me. To each their own and all that...kinda like music, I suppose.
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:23 AM   #15
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The industrial synth tracks you hype about are very easy to make compared to the stuff you link in these "too easy" posts... I don't really understand what you are after with them.

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Old 02-17-2017, 12:40 AM   #16
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Re: your oppinion on this

If you can't hear the complexities of something like this, I dare you to make something like it in your spare time. Carefully automate every little detail, try to make it as cinematic as you can. Try to match something as good as this and listen to your final product objectively on a good system.

Rinse and repeat with every genre you can't appreciate and I guarantee you'll come out with a brand new understanding and less troll posts. I did this with hip-hop once and it shook my fucking world. Not everyone can do it well.

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Old 02-19-2017, 02:49 AM   #17
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A lot of things can be seen as easy to produce from a musical stand point. A lot of music can be said to be easily created. Nirvana used a lot of simple chords and was not some kind of technical music that you have to practice years for in order to play.

What it was is creative, and creativity and the difficult of that is what makes art art. I think it separates good and bad. As humans we are imperfect, and I think perfect music is boring to us, so the majority of people like simple and good. That mix of simple and good can be said to be far more complex than any technique one can learn in a class or from reading.

Its the fact that one creates something that makes it unique and the difficulty for us and anyone is to find that point of creation.

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grammar, always attack grammar when out of arguments
Ambience, always attack ambience out of ignorance.

What's your argument by the way? 'Is it just me or is it easy to produce?'... Post something ambient if you believe its easy. Shouldn't be a problem, unless you're making a thread about bashing genres half-cocked. I wonder if I slap some reverb on it, would that resonate inside that head of yours? Just curious to see if it's hollow or dense.

N.B. I attacked your spelling mistake. Grammatical errors are using a word that is spelt correctly but in the wrong context. 'oppinion' is not a word.

P.S. Never out to argue, but this is easy pickings.

P.P.S. The song 'REBELION' is also spelt incorrectly. The one you're promoting in your signature. FYI.


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As has been said earlier, technicality has nothing to do with defining the quality or purpose of a piece of music. Some of the most recognizable and successful pieces of music of all time were some of the simplest pieces of music made by those composers/songwriters. Take a listen to the charts right now - a majority of the songs follow very simple song structures, basic chords, and fairly straight forward production. Sounds easy right? If it were that simple, everyone would be dropping hits like no tomorrow. But its not, there is a lot that goes into making a minimalistic piece of music good, and there is a lot that goes into the value of a piece of music. it should not matter how much technical effort went into the piece of music to define its worth or how good it is. People dont just appreciate music based on its technicality, they appreciate for how it makes them feel. If we only ever enjoyed music for its technical prowess, Rings of Saturn would be topping the charts right now.

hell some of the most well received music I have put out has been some of my simplest. I recently put out a simple lofi beat I threw together one morning before I went to work, and so far I had it used in a mix by one of my favorite vaporwave/lofi channels on youtube. The piece in my signature I put about 3 full weeks of work into, and was also received well, but just because I put a lot of work into that piece and not as much time into the beat I made the other day, doesnt make it worth any more or less. Its all art. Some of the greatest art is the simplest. Hans Zimmer is one of the highest paid composers in the film industry, and hell his most recognizable piece of all time, "Time", is literally composed of 4 different chords, being repeated for about 5 minutes. But he executed those 4 chords better than anyone else probably could.

We are all trying to evoke emotion with our music. A 15 minute ambient track composed of 2 chords can be just as powerful and moving as a 2 hour symphony with thousands upon thousands of notes.

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