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Old 10-07-2016, 07:11 PM   #1
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Arranging and recording in hybrid setups

I've ow jammed around long enough on my hardware to make a decent arrangement, I think.

I'm wondering how you all go about doing this, as there are choices:
1. MIDI trigger pattern change from DAW
2. Use an OTB sequencer
3. Live jam and trigger patterns manually

In the live jam scenario, do you record different patterns as loops that you then use in a sampler ITB?

I'm tempted to do as much OTB as possible, but gain staging and most of the mixing would have to be done on the individual instrument level and the 828.

There is some nifty pattern change and fiddling options on the Octatrack that use scenes and cross faders as well as arpeggiator based pattern transitions that are not MIDI programmable.

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Old 10-07-2016, 08:25 PM   #2
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Re: Arranging and recording in hybrid setups

My short answers is to either record loops into my DAW and create an arrangement, either from scratch or from ideas Ive recorded while jamming or do a multi track recording of like 20 minites of jamming and chop out the best bits.

I also like to just record the whole thing live quite often, then do minimal edits.

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Re: Arranging and recording in hybrid setups

So, do you use an audio track or do you record into a sampler?

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Re: Arranging and recording in hybrid setups

No. I dont record directly to a sampler. Typically for me it is eaiser to work with the aduio on the timeline. If I were to need a the notes ina loop sliced up, I would rerecord the notes/chords/drum hits as one shots.

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Old 11-07-2016, 06:38 AM   #5
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Re: Arranging and recording in hybrid setups

I'm sequencing all my synths from Ableton Live using Midi and then just record into the timeline. Usually longer parts while tweaking knobs.

For percussive stuff I'd trigger my synths manually, record also into timeline, cut up (or smt Audacity for better transient editing) and then load into Sampler.
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Old 11-07-2016, 09:17 AM   #6
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Re: Arranging and recording in hybrid setups

There really is no right and wrong here. When I started I sent MIDI to hardware. This has a lot of drawbacks to do with timing/midi latency.

These days I am true "hybrid." I have a three stage process.

1) I do a bunch of digital sound design in the DAW. If I want to make a new kick with 3-4 layers or whatever, I do it in the DAW so I get it exactly how I want it. I don't want to do that kind of detailed digital stuff in H/W.

2) I send the sounds out to an MPC 1000 (ie a sampler). (So yeah I'm gradually building a bigger and bigger home-made MPC sample library). Then I do, say, 75% of the tune using a H/W sequencer, practically all the arranging (I trigger a few synths and other stuff with the MPC).

3) I perform into the DAW, using it like a fancy tape player, just feeding it all the audio. I do mixing and fine editing in the DAW (after pretty much all the arrangement is done).

This sounds complicated but I really like working this way. The main reason is this. I can perform my tunes very organically from stage (2), and still have an "album version." And yeah, this is exactly what Ableton Live is for, but I never got on well with it. I know people really dig it, but 1) I don't like using laptops on stage, and 2) I prefer not to produce in Ableton. The MPC has an immediacy which I've never experienced with a laptop/controller setup.

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Old 11-07-2016, 12:16 PM   #7
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Re: Arranging and recording in hybrid setups

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, have you tried sending program changes from you daw to the mpc to arrange your sequences that way? I tried doing that with live and triggering them from push but I am not convinced.
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I go back and forth between having a 75% solution for an arrangement otb then mute tracks and multitrack everything for fine tuning and mixing ITB. Or I have a couple loops I then record and arrange ITB, kinda depends how things go.
I definitely record everything separate tho to mix properly ITB, it is much more precise than in the hardware.

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Old 11-07-2016, 01:23 PM   #8
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Re: Arranging and recording in hybrid setups

@jbv: yeah, I'd prefer ITB mixing as well. Just gives me more tools to work with. The tricky thing is, though, that I'm limited in I/O channels. If I want to side chain my kick, for example, I can think of a few options: sample the kick and add it to a kit ITB; record separate audio track for kick only and process later, sample a few loops for kick only and process ITB. The drum part is actually the most straightforward, due to its repetitive nature. I'm leaning towards sampling loops and do the rest ITB.

The A4 has great Overbridge integration, so here I'm leaning towards a hybrid approach of program change and MIDI tracks for some of the tracks on the A4.

The Octatrack will be more heavily involve real time interactions, as would be the case for FX OTB.

It's all a big step up in complexity.

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Old 12-07-2016, 11:20 PM   #9
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, have you tried sending program changes from you daw to the mpc to arrange your sequences that way? I tried doing that with live and triggering them from push but I am not convinced. Hey mate. I'm not 100% sure what you mean, can you elaborate?

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Old 13-07-2016, 12:52 AM   #10
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Re: Arranging and recording in hybrid setups

Well I guess each sequence is a program so sequence 1= program 1 in midi code sequence 2= program 2
(Not mpc programs ie collections of samples) so if you are on sequence 1 and trigger a program change from you daw to 2 sequence 2 will launch.
I have been trying this from push so I can arrange using clips and some of those clips just contain a program change message. It's been a mitigated success so far but I am trying it out.

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