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Old 07-02-2014, 05:38 AM   #1
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Skinny Puppy music used as torture by military

The US Department of Justice has been charged with using Skinny Puppy's music at an unbearable volume as a means of torture at Guantanamo Bay. I know it maybe easy to quickly dismiss the seriousness of torture, and instead make jokes about this. But I'm still repulsed that my country's military would keep a base open for torturing detainees in a foreign country, just to get around the laws here in the U.S.

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Old 07-02-2014, 06:49 AM   #2
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Re: Skinny Puppy music used as torture by military

Fuuuuucked up. Nothing to joke about really. Nothing new in terms of the lengths that people will go just because they feel obligated to torture people.

If there's any joke to be made here it's the fact that the U.S. Military is using foriegn munitions when they could have just as easily hired someone local to produce much a much more devastating product at a fraction of the price, while helping their own economy. U.S. Priorities though, right?

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Old 07-02-2014, 07:18 AM   #3
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Re: Skinny Puppy music used as torture by military

Didn't the use Metallica's music in the same way?

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Old 07-02-2014, 08:00 AM   #4
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Re: Skinny Puppy music used as torture by military

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Didn't the use Metallica's music in the same way?
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However, some artists aren’t offended to learn their music is used this way. Metallica singer James Hetfield, for instance, said he’s actually “glad” to have been part of the torture process. “We’ve been punishing our parents, our wives, our loved ones with this music for ever. Why should the Iraqis be any different?” the singer said. “If the Iraqis aren’t used to freedom, then I’m glad to be part of their exposure.”

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Old 07-02-2014, 08:37 AM   #5
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Re: Skinny Puppy music used as torture by military

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Geez. That's even more fucked up.

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Old 07-02-2014, 01:15 PM   #6
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Didn't the use Metallica's music in the same way?
And the song "I Love You, You Love Me" from the kid's show Barney. In fact that was supposedly vastly superior to making people crack than any Skinny Puppy tracks.





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Old 07-02-2014, 01:30 PM   #7
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Geez. That's even more fucked up.
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Old 08-02-2014, 10:11 AM   #8
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Re: Skinny Puppy music used as torture by military

As fucked up as it is, at least it's music and not the rack. I guess things have gotten a tiny bit better in the past few centuries.
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Old 08-02-2014, 10:14 AM   #9
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Yeah because mental torture is much better isn't it?
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Old 08-02-2014, 11:22 AM   #10
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Re: Skinny Puppy music used as torture by military

By the way, this news was the usual internet bullshit, Skinny Puppy never sent the invoice.
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Old 08-02-2014, 11:23 AM   #11
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Re: Skinny Puppy music used as torture by military

Yeah, I saw that once I had a read around too, it's just hype.= for their album 'Weapon' which was released about 6 months ago.
Seems to work, you just have to know which nerve to tap into.

I also saw some stuff which goes against that Metallica quote, saying that they also filed a Cease & Desist.
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Old 08-02-2014, 05:44 PM   #12
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Re: Skinny Puppy music used as torture by military

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it's just hype
Wait so, people aren't being tortured with Skinny Puppy's music in Guantanamo bay now? Just an elaborate ruse to "sell albums"?

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the usual internet bullshit
That's what I get for reading things on the internet. ): I was genuinely upset to hear that this music was being used in that way - ANY music, let alone the music of a group I particularly enjoy. The moment I heard "invoice of 666,000" though yeah it started to feel a bit like bullshit - I just don't know why they would go through the trouble of making up the Guantanamo bay story, maybe I'm just getting soft and "got trolled" into feeling upset that music could have possibly been used to torture people in such a way.

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In all honesty, how pleasant would you expect junkies who produce music that sounds like that to be?
Yeah, if they're fabricating this caliber of information to hype an album up I can understand this kind of reaction to their image and music now.

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Old 08-02-2014, 05:52 PM   #13
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Re: Skinny Puppy music used as torture by military

Sorry no, I read that the bit about them filing a charge for $666,000 didn't actually happen.
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Re: Skinny Puppy music used as torture by military

Ok... Still I don't think the invoice is really the key issue here at all - While it kind of says to me "we don't _really_ care about these detainee's lives" because the smart thing to bill the DoJ for would of course be the freedom of the detainees.

Ok, just wanted to clear that up. That minor detail may have been mistaken - but that doesn't add up to a bullshit news article.

I don't want to be the person who really argues about that minor fact though - the invoice - over the fact that people are being fucking tortured here and money really isn't the issue.

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By the way, this news was the usual internet bullshit, Skinny Puppy never sent the invoice.
No, they just talked about doing it. Ha ha.
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Re: Skinny Puppy music used as torture by military

This is one of the few times I didn't investigate a story before posting something about it. But frankly, I'm used to getting good info from the Infowars website, so I didn't even think twice about it. Lesson learned. Regardless of how much of it is true, it certainly hit "the right nerve" for me, and thankfully, some of you as well.

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Ok... Still I don't think the invoice is really the key issue here at all - While it kind of says to me "we don't _really_ care about these detainee's lives" because the smart thing to bill the DoJ for would of course be the freedom of the detainees.

Ok, just wanted to clear that up. That minor detail may have been mistaken - but that doesn't add up to a bullshit news article.

I don't want to be the person who really argues about that minor fact though - the invoice - over the fact that people are being fucking tortured here and money really isn't the issue.
Yeah it's not a big deal but the article is called 'Industrial Band Skinny Puppy Bills DoJ For Using Its Music as a Torture Device'.
But yeah people.
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This is one of the few times I didn't investigate a story before posting something about it. But frankly, I'm used to getting good info from the Infowars website, so I didn't even think twice about it. Lesson learned. Regardless of how much of it is true, it certainly hit "the right nerve" for me, and thankfully, some of you as well.

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While the Skinny Puppy guys didn't sit down, type up an invoice and mail it to a US governmental agency, they mused about it in public with the Press. That's where the whole thing started. Later, as the story was passed along, the joke part of it was lost and it was reported as fact. That's a lot different than a rumor starting independently. So I think we can be forgiven for believing it a little.
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You'd have to be a pretty low level asshole to want to profit directly from torture, that's why I wanted to find out what really happened.
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You'd have to be a pretty low level asshole to want to profit directly from torture,
Man, it just dawned on me that this is what being an industrial musician is all about.

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