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Old 26-01-2014, 02:50 AM   #1
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I'm totally wondering

So I listen a lot to artists on Soundcloud and while some are truly excellent some pale as expected.

One big question I have is that there are so many tracks that are not so well crafted but have quality sound and content. So, in your estimation:

How many "producers" out there are doing a copy and paste with purchased loops to make songs as opposed to the crafting a sound on a synth and actually creating something 100% original?

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Old 26-01-2014, 02:56 AM   #3
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Maybe more like 97.9998% if you're being generous.

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Old 26-01-2014, 03:01 AM   #4
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Re: I'm totally wondering

I'd be astonished if it was really that high of a number, I've never paid for a sample and there isn't anybody I know using prefabricated loops. I just give them the benefit of the doubt I suppose. Then again, I don't really question people's material on that level, so I guess I can't be sure. I'd sure be kind of upset if people I liked were just garage band-ing shit together though, that's messed up.

Also black flag? Velvet U.? You and me are like musical brothers taste-wise.

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Old 26-01-2014, 03:09 AM   #5
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Re: I'm totally wondering

My material is quite obviously not a collage of the work of hired professional loop makers. I just wonder because much of what I hear on SC has amazing production value and coolness factor on a tune that structurally does not deserve talent like that.

It's a weird dichotomy I've been struggling with.

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Old 26-01-2014, 03:11 AM   #6
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Re: I'm totally wondering

Because most people care more about copying sounds design and mix techniques from the flavor of the month than writing music that means something to them?

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Old 26-01-2014, 03:13 AM   #7
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Because most people care more about copying sounds design and mix techniques from the flavor of the month then writing music that means something to them?
How long could that stay interesting?

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Old 26-01-2014, 03:17 AM   #8
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Re: I'm totally wondering

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How long could that stay interesting?
I dunno... how long has it been around? Few years strong at the bare minimum, realistically much longer - and don't forget tone chaser guitarist, since like the 60s or 70s and probably before...

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Old 26-01-2014, 03:19 AM   #9
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the internet is saturated with loop packs and shit, why do you think that is? also why do you tink the "bigger name" sample/loop houses can charge so much? because there's a fuck ton of people using them is why. look at it like this. if there's 10million peeps all producing music, that's 200,000 of us not doing it that pre made way. and so on. i think that's a fairly high number to not do it, and that's conservative IMO
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Old 26-01-2014, 03:22 AM   #10
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Re: I'm totally wondering

Why do people buy that stuff? Like, It's honestly not that hard to write a melody. And it's not that hard to download some drum samples, and program a pattern in FL Studio. I never understood people buying melodies and drum beats, all pre-programmed and shit. Like come on, Have some originality, And do it yourself, Because its notttt very hard once you get the hang of it. And sure it takes a couple years to perfect what you're doing, But come on at least you're making something yourself, And didn't buy someone elses work to use for your own purposes.

I find it 1000x more appealing to make your own sounds, Write your own shit, program it, Mix it, Master it, All yourself. it seems like that would make you feel alot more accomplished after making a track than using stuff that you bought thats not yours.

I dunno, that stuff seems really stupid to me

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Old 26-01-2014, 03:54 AM   #11
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Re: I'm totally wondering

I hear people using loops all the time, not even bothering to cut them up or be creative with them (usually not even a simple transpose, that requires effort). I bet there are a lot of them doing it, and that's kind of groovy in a way, but probably a bad way for beginners to feel things out.
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Old 26-01-2014, 03:58 AM   #12
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Re: I'm totally wondering

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So I listen a lot to artists on Soundcloud and while some are truly excellent some pale as expected.

One big question I have is that there are so many tracks that are not so well crafted but have quality sound and content. So, in your estimation:

How many "producers" out there are doing a copy and paste with purchased loops to make songs as opposed to the crafting a sound on a synth and actually creating something 100% original?

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what kind of music are you listening to? im surprised nobody has asked that yet. if its electro house then most of it im sure is synth presets and loop pack stuff

personally i take great pleasure in using as many different sound sources as possible (that i have uncovered or made myself) in each track. then run them all through different things. brilliant.

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Old 26-01-2014, 04:46 AM   #13
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Re: I'm totally wondering

because you asked, I listen to all kinds of stuff, but generally when I listen to an original track I at least assume -- perhaps with much naivete -- that the artist crafted it and didn't do a cntrl-c / cntrl-v from some beat bank.

Anyway, it's all good and I love it.

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Old 26-01-2014, 04:56 AM   #14
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Re: I'm totally wondering

not sure what you mean tbh

theres a track somewhere that made it big in the charts and was completely made up from sample pack loops... im sure somebody could link it

i put it to you that if you ever find some truly brilliant music it will certainly not have derived from sample packs as the people that create said packs are simply catering for the fashions of the time they are made... lacking in inspiration and not custom designed to fit a particular track.

if the music on SC is without soul, ingenuity or a unique style then i put it forward that it is likely to be derived from purchased samples when compared to a unique and interesting track

plus people who make unique and interesting music have no desire to use those things i reckon

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Old 26-01-2014, 11:17 PM   #15
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Re: I'm totally wondering

They way I see it, it's never going to go away and it's only going to get worse so strap in and put on your thinking cap, you'll be weeding out the weak for the rest of your life.
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Old 26-01-2014, 11:19 PM   #16
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People are also going to keep thinking that distorted keyboards can mimic actual guitars
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Old 26-01-2014, 11:57 PM   #17
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Re: I'm totally wondering

A lot of gear manufacturers are to blame also. As long as they keep bundling LOOPS GALORE with their gear to make it sweeter, people will still end up using them. Also, they keep bundling loop-oriented software with the gear too. If they didn't do that, people would have to actually research which DAWs are which, what they do, and how to use them better, and how to get and install them.

Right now the market caters towards computer oriented stuff, but not even the hardware oriented breakbeat of the nineties that most everyone either got really excited about or sampled under cover of darkness while pretending to be the band Garbage or Nine Inch Nails or the Stone Roses or some sh*t like that.

I actually don't even mind that type of conformity, because at least those hip hop trip hop and jungle loops had syncopation.

4 on the floor or boom tish boom tish is whitebread stale pale boringness that leads nowhere. It's about time people are banned from making boring percussion and still be considered living in this decade.

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Old 27-01-2014, 12:04 AM   #18
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Old 27-01-2014, 12:05 AM   #19
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Anyone can learn to produce, but composition is hard. I'm still trying to figure it out myself.
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Old 27-01-2014, 12:10 AM   #20
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Re: I'm totally wondering

So, is it cool to use drum hits? Trying to gauge the level of impurity that's acceptable.

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