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Old 01-08-2017, 06:33 PM   #1
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so i decided to buy beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO
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DT 770 Pro is available with 32, 80 and 250 ohms transducers, these also differ in application:
the 32 ohms DT 770 Pro works great with computer soundcards, audio interfaces, portable recorders and players (mobile phone, tablet, handheld recording device, etc., units, powered by (rechargeable) batteries or external supplies), also with instruments like digital piano, synthesizer or instrument amplifiers (e. g. for guitar).
DT 770 Pro with 250 ohms is suitable for stationary sources like mains powered studio monitor controllers, hifi-amplifiers, headphone amplifiers, etc.. Both versions, 32 and 250 ohms are based on very low mass, so called: underhang voice coils, which can reproduce enormous details with low distortion. For the lower impedance, we use slightly thicker - and heavier - wire for the coil, therefore, it plays louder with lower supply voltages (from mentioned units) as the 250 ohms version.
80 ohms DT 770 Pro is optimized for very high listening levels in a recording studio, for example musicians, playing an instrument, etc.. You normally can find very high power headphone amplifiers here and achievable level is more important than the last bit of sound quality. This transducer uses an overhang voicecoil, which is longer than the air gap. Its larger surface increases the electrical power handling (better cooling) but its higher mass results in a different distortion behaviour.
finally, DT 770 M is a specialized version of DT 770 Pro 80 ohms for very loud environments: due to its stronger headband, totally closed earcups and special earpads, it gives a far stronger isolation from and to the outside than regular DT 770 Pro phones, but compromises sound quality and (long term-) wearing comfort.
should i buy DT 77 M instead ? because i am going to use it as everyday headphone outside as well
is there any relation between impedance and quality ?

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Old 01-08-2017, 07:02 PM   #2
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Re: Advice needed buying headphones

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is there any relation between impedance and quality ?
Sometimes. It depends on the specific headphones. The drivers in high impedance headphones usually have more windings with thinner wire which causes an increased resistance. Those smaller, lighter, more delicate drivers are often capable of more detailed movements and often better sound reproduction (but not always, again depends on the specific headphone).

There's also some studio reasons for higher Z phones, namely that when you start running them in parallel (multiple headphones hooked up to the same output) the impedance drops. So if you have an entire band tracking and needed multiple headphones from the same source you're not screwing up your impedance.

The trade off here is that in very loose terms impedance = electrical resistance. That means it takes more power to drive the same sized speaker coil at higher impedance. 600ohm phones aren't going to get the power they need at full volume from your phone or ipod - they're going to need a dedicated headphone amp to drive them. Using high-Z phones with standard equipment not meant to drive high-Z phones will result in low volume and/or poor sound quality. Depending on what you're using out of the house, you'll probably be better off with the lower impedance headphones.

As for what to buy, I have no idea. I have a pair of Superlux 668Bs I've had for years and sound great and I paid $50 for them. After you get over about $50 I think quality becomes pretty subjective. I've A/Bed my Superlux with HD800s and didn't hear a remarkable difference, certainly not enough to spend an extra $950 on.
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Old 01-09-2017, 07:19 AM   #3
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Re: Advice needed buying headphones

The 770 M is for like drummers and such. The response is worse than the 770, but it blocks more sound. You don't need that much. The 80 Ohm version gets plenty loud on low power as well, just don't go to 250 without some amplification.
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is response noticeably worse ? i need noise cancellation

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Re: Advice needed buying headphones

The 770M are like Peltor ear defenders with headphones inside - you don't need that much unless you are wearing them while operating an excavator (or drumming). Regular 770 Pros would be much better. You are going to look like a big douchebag if you wear either on the go though - they are meant for inside the studio.
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Re: Advice needed buying headphones

The DT770 are awesome headphones. I've had both the 250 and the 80 ohm, currently using the 80 ohm. My ears are pretty good, been doing this for a while now, and I noticed no reduction in quality between the two when moving to the lower ohm version.

As an aside -,I've also used the DT880 250 ohm and I feel the 770 is the best of the two. I know you didn't ask that but just thought I'd put it out there. Just get them, they're wonderful cans. I do have a headphone amp, schiit magni to pair with them but I only use it about 20% of the time.

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Old 01-09-2017, 05:02 PM   #7
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Re: Advice needed buying headphones

do you need amp for 80 ohm one ?

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Re: Advice needed buying headphones

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do you need amp for 80 ohm one ?
Theoretically, no. But I prefer my 63ohm AKG 701s with an amp.

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Re: Advice needed buying headphones

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do you need amp for 80 ohm one ?
NO......

You'll find the 80 ohm version work like any other regular headphone.

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Re: Advice needed buying headphones

I have Byerdynamic 880. The open sets are kind of weird but really comfortable. I hear everything outside the music. Computer, fans, the highway. Compared to closed sets there's not that much difference.

I listen to a very diverse amount of music so I think they work for me. If you're serious about things get a couple different phones to work with.

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Re: Advice needed buying headphones

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The 770M are like Peltor ear defenders with headphones inside - you don't need that much unless you are wearing them while operating an excavator (or drumming). Regular 770 Pros would be much better. You are going to look like a big douchebag if you wear either on the go though - they are meant for inside the studio.
well what people think is obviously non-factor,
can you explain why M is worse than PRO, and if so is what is difference and it is really noticeable ?

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Re: Advice needed buying headphones

The M's are built for isolation, not accurate sound - I don't know what else to say. They have a specific use and are good at it, but what you are describing is not that. Do you need -30dB of isolation or whatever they offer? Probably not unless you are a drummer recording along to multitrack feed. It will be noticeable for sure - they aren't worse, just different. If you A/B both headphones in a normal environment, the non-M version will be more accurate. In loud hell, you'd be better off with the Ms.
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Theoretically, no. But I prefer my 63ohm AKG 701s with an amp.
I was going to say the same thing about my AKGs. Headphones can get weird about their amps sometimes, it's a whole rabbit hole I don't really want to go down in this thread.
Generally, the impedance of a headphone shouldn't affect sound quality very much. There are very good headphones with high or low impedance. Another thing to pay attention to, however, is sensitivity, which I don't really understand well enough to explain, but you should consider it along with the impedance. I imagine that it's not going to be an issue for you because all the headphones you're looking at have a very similar design, but if you branch out and consider other brands, such as AKG, you may have to take it into account, as I believe (and this is just my guess) this is why AKGs sound better with an amp even though they have low impedance. There's other variables too, but it shouldn't matter too much if you're not into niche headphones and/or amps.

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I was going to say the same thing about my AKGs. Headphones can get weird about their amps sometimes, it's a whole rabbit hole I don't really want to go down in this thread.
Generally, the impedance of a headphone shouldn't affect sound quality very much. There are very good headphones with high or low impedance. Another thing to pay attention to, however, is sensitivity, which I don't really understand well enough to explain, but you should consider it along with the impedance. I imagine that it's not going to be an issue for you because all the headphones you're looking at have a very similar design, but if you branch out and consider other brands, such as AKG, you may have to take it into account, as I believe (and this is just my guess) this is why AKGs sound better with an amp even though they have low impedance. There's other variables too, but it shouldn't matter too much if you're not into niche headphones and/or amps.
I can't even describe what is better about them exactly. But I just went with the rather affordable Schiit Mangi 2 it really brought the head phones to life. That is the best way I can describe it.

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Re: Advice needed buying headphones

Reading D42K's OP quote, if I were to get the 770s for use mostly off my laptop and phone, would I be wise to go for the 32 ohm version, or should I get the 80 ohm version for the occasional chance I'm plugging in to something beefier?
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Reading D42K's OP quote, if I were to get the 770s for use mostly off my laptop and phone, would I be wise to go for the 32 ohm version, or should I get the 80 ohm version for the occasional chance I'm plugging in to something beefier?
32 ohms will be fine, the only time the 80 ohm would be better is out of a really noisy amp, like with tubes.

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Re: Advice needed buying headphones

The shop was selling only the 80 ohm ones, so I bought them for an even 200. I did a sound test against the audiotechnica ath-m50(x?), the sony mdr-7506, and the sennheiser hd-280. These are the four most recommended bang-for-buck ones in the super thread. It really was no contest. Yeah, needs an amp to go all the way, but the way it sounded without was still loud enough, and so boringly cold and precise I had to buy them. Real happy.
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I would highly recommend Sennheiser HD600s as they are a good price and fairly neutral...if you are looking for that type of sound.

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