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Old 30-10-2015, 08:48 PM   #1
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Fascism in ambient music

Don't know why, but some people have decided to put ambiant down...

If like me, you listen to music on sunday afternoon, drinking a tea, it will mostly make you laught. Anyway, any comments on the article "fascism-in-ambient-music" on the site of "femmecult[dot]com" ?

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Old 30-10-2015, 08:51 PM   #2
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Re: Fascism in ambiant music

Fascism in anything else they could think of had already been done. Thnking is hard man.

If you didn't read blogs that scream "hello I'm a pseudo-intellectual wanker and tryhard doesn't even begin to describe me" just from the titles you'd spare yourself some grief.
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Old 30-10-2015, 09:31 PM   #3
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Re: Fascism in ambient music

I just stick to fascist tea and fascist ambient music.

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Old 30-10-2015, 09:39 PM   #4
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Re: Fascism in ambient music

My honest and intellectual response to that essay, of which I unfortunately skimmed every painful paragraph, is: lol wut?

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Old 30-10-2015, 09:57 PM   #5
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Re: Fascism in ambient music

I buy every racist "Ethnic" soundbanks uot there and I make culturally appropriative, late-90's type "lounge" bollocks that redefines insipidity.
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Old 30-10-2015, 10:03 PM   #6
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Re: Fascism in ambient music

It reads like something from the post-modern essay generator.

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Old 30-10-2015, 10:09 PM   #7
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It reads like something from the post-modern essay generator.
Is that netlingo for Pitchfork?

One time, a really cool dark ambient artist kept showing up on my iPod as a square. I didn't realize at the time what that meant, but the music was really nice. Later on, I found out that my iPod just couldn't display the artist name correctly; it turned out that the artist name was a swastika.

Anyway, I didn't really care. There weren't any lyrics, and I didn't feel like I was listening to trash, even if they were promoting trash. Even some of these noise / ambient guys who have questionable lyrics don't really phase me. Half of it is designed to be offensive anyway, and there's really nothing malicious underneath it.

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Old 31-10-2015, 03:19 AM   #9
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Re: Fascism in ambient music

^^^KVLT you and Lebux hit it on the head. It reminds me of an article I read (Spin maybe?) Anyway, there was a Rammstein interview and of course like any self respecting journalist would ask, "Are you fascist?" And it makes perfect sense, I mean if you're German you have to be fascist. Another good example would be the Deaths Head logo of the SS as an art design for Nurse With Wound. It's almost silly if you really think about it, People will put a spin on anything to cast it in a light that is more often than not the polar opposite of what the aesthetic really is. After all, We now live in a wonderful age of tolerance.

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Old 31-10-2015, 03:33 AM   #10
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Re: Fascism in ambient music

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My honest and intellectual response to that essay, of which I unfortunately skimmed every painful paragraph, is: lol wut?
Exactly my response, LOL!
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Old 31-10-2015, 03:35 AM   #11
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Re: Fascism in ambient music

Yeah..I read about this early in the week over on the [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click here to register]
forum and the response I posted there, remains the same here now..one word, "Horseshit" (..or two words if you want to split things).

Quote: "Devoted fans of ambient techno travel to Berlin from all over the world just to get what is believed to be a true taste of ambient culture at festivals such as CTM and Atonal."

I know there is such a genre as ambient techno, but to imply that genre would give anyone "..a true taste of ambient culture" is bloody absurd to say the least. I also know she goes on to name certain artists, but again, they don't typically reflect the vast majority of ambient artists the world over.

Does all this mean the likes of Brian Eno and Robert Rich are not to be trusted with our ears and those of our children, if we have them?

Like I said..horseshit. How narrow-minded people like this get into print is beyond me. She should pull her head out of her arse and take a cold hard look at the world in which she lives..and the powers that run. If she wants to see Fascism at work first hand, just turn on the T.V and catch the latests news broadcast!

Reminds me of the "She's a Witch" sketch that Monty Python did.."She floats so she must be made of wood...let's burn her" = "They dress in black and are into ambient music..they must be Fascists".

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Old 31-10-2015, 03:36 AM   #12
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Re: Fascism in ambient music

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My honest and intellectual response to that essay, of which I unfortunately skimmed every painful paragraph, is: lol wut?
It's a shame, because her music (as Experimental Housewife) is pretty good IMHO. Essay was too strawman, too click-baity, too much a strange mish-mash of ideas. Any essay that starts out with the overused "hipster" insult isn't going to end well.

Perhaps there is a fascist sect of ambient out there I'm not aware of. I am not familiar with any of the artists or labels or the Berlin festivals mentioned, except I think I've encountered a mention of Blackest On Black somewhere... isn't that label more the experimental side of industrial (noise and drone etc) and not terribly ambient? Googling the Atonal festival seems to put it in that side of the camp as well. Very little of that would be "ambient" to me, perhaps some cross over to "dark ambient" but that would have little to do with the quick bits I heard of Experimental Housewife... *shrug*

Most experimental artists when they use shock imagery (from what I see) do not necessarily endorse or advocate, a fatal assumption this essay makes.

I'm aware of Death In June and there certainly is a "true fascism or just Douglas P still hanging on to his 1970s childish punk shock schtick?" debate there. But they also aren't ambient.

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Old 31-10-2015, 03:42 AM   #13
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It's a shame, because her music (as Experimental Housewife) is pretty good IMHO. Essay was too strawman, too click-baity, too much a strange mish-mash of ideas. Any essay that starts out with the overused "hipster" insult isn't going to end well.

Perhaps there is a fascist sect of ambient out there I'm not aware of. I am not familiar with any of the artists or labels or the Berlin festivals mentioned, except I think I've encountered a mention of Blackest On Black somewhere... isn't that label more the experimental side of industrial (noise and drone etc) and not terribly ambient? Googling the Atonal festival seems to put it in that side of the camp as well. Very little of that would be "ambient" to me. Most experimental artists when they use shock imagery (from what I see) do not necessarily endorse or advocate, a IMHO fatal assumption this essay makes.

I'm aware of Death In June and there certainly is a "true fascism or just Douglas P still hanging on to his 1970s childish punk shock schtick?" debate there. But they also aren't ambient.
That's it exactly..it's like this person hasn't the first clue about what the hell ambient music is to begin with..and is writing more about industrial..or maybe even some dark ambient bands, but to then make the jump to ambient music in general is just plain stupid..and insulting.

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Old 31-10-2015, 08:37 PM   #14
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Re: Fascism in ambient music

I agree with relic. That article was difficult to skim through. It's poorly written and doesn't really seem to support the thesis that some ambient music is fascist. I think the person is seeing stuff that isn't there. Most ambient music doesn't have words anyhow, and isn't representational. So it would be pretty difficult for ambient to be fascist even if people were trying.

Just ignore lame articles like that. Sending us all to read those articles just increases their hit counts an makes them seem more viable because of more readers. But those types of articles are trite fluff. Stick with the people who live and breathe music and you'll be alright.

Ambient is alive and well. It's not going anywhere.

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"post-internet hipsters"
LOL... yeah hipsters from after the internet went away... forever
Also "pure-lace MDMA" whoever wrote this is a fucking dipshit

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Re: Fascism in ambient music

Yeah, this article was all over the place.

I get what she's saying about the over-intellectualised ambient listeners and makers tho.

I made a track with this dude I know and he connotes so much to the music without actually showing any of it. Things like freedom etc but by that account I can just make a typical jungle track and connote 'the fight against evangelicalism' or some ish of that sort.

Seems like everyone's too busy making things look/sound smart to just do what they do and leave it at that. My music doesn't need to come with its own manifesto.
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I'm not even reading the article this sounds stupid. Ambient music is the last thing I would associate with this...
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