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Old 27-03-2012, 01:15 AM   #1
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Icon5 Unique sounds from (virtual) analog modular synths?

With all the stuff I've ben reading about modular systems lately, I've been wondering, how are the sounds created with an analog modular different from say a hardwired synth with lots of modulation options?
What's the point of using more than 3 oscillators?
Are the resulting sounds worth all the investment of time and money (i.e. do they offr more than bleeps and blops)?


If there are any good records/videos showcasing the possibilities modulars offer please tell. I'm aware of Tomita's Pictures at an exhibition and some ELP-stuff, but that's about it.

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Re: Unique sounds from (virtual) analog modular synths?

No, ignore Delinquent Dialect and NEVER EVER GO TO MUFFWIGGLER!
That place is dangerous, it will suck your soul and force you to start your modular rig.

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Re: Unique sounds from (virtual) analog modular synths?

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Old 28-03-2012, 10:42 AM   #5
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So the answer is no?
Hmmm, apparently I found mostly bleeps and blops over there. Some Alesis Micron / Electron Octatrack tunes as well, so I guess the difference between flexible non-modulars and modular systems is not very pronounced at best.

Maybe it's the feeling of being something like a sonic-alchemist that creates the fascination with those cable-spurting boxes of lights and knobs, the joy and triumph of creation from nothing but raw mains AC, the transformative power of electro-acoustics unleashed? And I guess the immediacy of physically intimate patch creation, ease of use so to speak. Kinda like model railways, only for electron trains.

But from a sounddesign perspective I guess there's little that justifies the expense, or am I mistaken?

Just to avoid misunderstanding: I'm not trying to bash modular synths or make owners of said things feel bad about their instrument/themselves/their bank account, merely seeking insight into the modular mindset.

Thanks for the answers so far, more very welcome.
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No, ignore Delinquent Dialect and NEVER EVER GO TO MUFFWIGGLER!
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It seems my soul was not appealing enough to be sucked at.
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But from a sounddesign perspective I guess there's little that justifies the expense, or am I mistaken?
Depends on what you're trying to achieve. Digital and analog synthesis techniques and audio processing aren't substitutes of each other, they do different things.
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Re: Unique sounds from (virtual) analog modular synths?

Wit the extra modulators you get with the likes of max for live and renoise these days almost any common or garden softsynth can be modular anyway.

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Re: Unique sounds from (virtual) analog modular synths?

hmmm, ok, thanks!
So staying in the analog hardwaresynthrealm (analogue purportedly sounding better), is there still some benefit a modular synth has compared to say an Alesis Andromeda (apart from still being manufactured, that is)? Being able to choose the filters you want, chaining twenty filters, is that it?

Or is it really more a love for plugging cables into sockets and the like? Do you have to fiddle around with a modular to get it? Maybe something to do with electromagnetic influence from all the cables you constantly touch?
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Re: Unique sounds from (virtual) analog modular synths?

I found that my modular rig was more inspiring; the simple act of having to decide where to plug a cable would tempt me to try different things, I have a cable coming from an oscillator, what if instead of sending it to the filter input I use it to modulate the filter cutoff?

In the end I did get rid of the modular for economic reasons, I had spent quite some money on it and yet there were still so many things I could have added, I managed to make a profit from the sale and I now use a desktop Evolver which has more features than my modular had, but compromises on other aspects.

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will give you a desktop modular rig, with midi, for very little money.

Another route is to make the best of both worlds, run your vst instruments (or its oscillators) into the filters and envelopes of a modular, adding some more oscillators as well, easy to do in Live for example.
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So staying in the analog hardwaresynthrealm (analogue purportedly sounding better), is there still some benefit a modular synth has compared to say an Alesis Andromeda (apart from still being manufactured, that is)? Being able to choose the filters you want, chaining twenty filters, is that it?
you have a lot more options for modulation, processing etc

that is if you spent a fuckillion dollars on your rig

problem is, the result of complex or unconventional modulation or processing tends to be bleeps and bloops
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I found that my modular rig was more inspiring; the simple act of having to decide where to plug a cable would tempt me to try different things, I have a cable coming from an oscillator, what if instead of sending it to the filter input I use it to modulate the filter cutoff?
Yeah, I think I get that. Like"here's one patch cable left, what can I do with that" instead of fiddling with modulation routing menus. Point taken!

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That's a rather obvious idea, really, now that you mentioned it Nice article as well!
Thanks for the insight!
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problem is, the result of complex or unconventional modulation or processing tends to be bleeps and bloops
I guess it's the process of creating these bloops that gives the satisfaction, like driving an expensive car from a to b compared to some comparatively much cheaper car which get's you there as well but doesn't make you enjoy the ride as much. Or whatever.

I actually find this a bit sad, as I really like the concept of a modular synth, but I feel a bit disappointed about the bloopiness of pretty much everything I know that's been created with one. I guess you can only do so much with analog synthesis, no matter how complex the modulation routing.

Funnily enough this thread made me feel better about the stuff I have and more eager to exploit it.

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Re: Unique sounds from (virtual) analog modular synths?

just so people know where i'm coming from, qualitative statements like warm, phat, cold, and stale, etc. being associated with digital vs. analog seem very wrong to me. the harvestman's polivoks filter which, is analog, is cold and harsh sounding. the cyclebox osc (digital) can be phat as hell, lots of the time i don't even send it thru a filter.

that said, for me its definitely NOT about being analog, or bleepy bloopy. for me its the thought process and experience behind tactile patching and control. that is what a modular really lends itself to as far as creative thinking and sound experimentation go. yeah, maybe i could get that sound out of reaktor or a different synth, but the point is i wouldn't get that sound in a different environment/headspace.

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i do have to say though that i have yet to hear a good wavefolder (like the doepfer a137-1 or the one in the cyclebox) in software plugin format. there is a decent design in the reaktor ampere modules but it aliases like a bitch (which can have its uses) at low oversampling and destroys cpu power when upping the oversampling.

so sound-wise, there are still things that have yet to be implemented well in other systems, but that is just a matter of time.

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Some famous people who also use modulars for their sound include Alessandro Cortini, cEvin Key, Richard Devine and Rhys Fulber. I can't put any links here myself because of low post count, but YouTube is your friend. I recommend checking out "Everything Ends Here" by Alessandro Cortini and there are also some videos where he's jamming with Richard Devine.
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