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Old 30-03-2016, 04:47 PM   #21
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two awesome ways to experience SoundCloud
lol. at least they have a great PR guy..

"Guys.. what if we... GUYS, guys.. ok bear with me, what if we use the word "awesome" to describe the two ways to experience soundcloud"

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Old 30-03-2016, 06:19 PM   #22
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ok, so i'm a little pissy feeling about this service at the moment. it seems that |(from my pov) i'll be paying to host my music on their platform, they';ll be charging go" users to listen to it, but won't be remunerating me for the plays of my own copyright owned output hosted on their site. That's surely not legal?
Yeah, that's exactly what has me feeling all:

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I feel like I specifically made a choice some time ago to not allow ads on my Soundcloud page, as I felt that using Soundcloud wasn't at all something like using Apple Music or Spotify, and wasn't how I wanted people to approach my page. I was looking to see if I had an e-mail with something to that extent, but couldn't find it anywhere. Might be having source amnesia.

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Old 02-04-2016, 07:51 AM   #23
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ok, so i'm a little pissy feeling about this service at the moment. it seems that |(from my pov) i'll be paying to host my music on their platform, they';ll be charging go" users to listen to it, but won't be remunerating me for the plays of my own copyright owned output hosted on their site. That's surely not legal?

The service can easily be offline if that all your data you have as a memebr is downloaded to your device when you do connect online. so whilst you may not be able to update without connecting, you can carry your favourites, playlists, reposts etc with you. makes sense that and is a good feature.
Overall i like the idea of this, just not that someone is paying to be able to listen to my (and everyone's music) and the majority of us who aren't "on soundcloud partners" won't see a penny for our content being used to generate further income for soundcloud. I know you can supposedly opt out of allowing your content to be a part of that, but i've yet to check that out for real. will report back on that one shortly as i'm off to do some further unvestigating
I wonder if the developers are high on bath salts? Ben, To my understanding (and I hope I am wrong) this whole "go" fiasco pretty much caters to a library of premium? members while pigeonholing free accounts. For example, whatever constitutes as a "sc go track" can be previewed by free members, I don't know what the fuck is going to come of this, But I do know a few artists that I have spoke with in regards to this are backing up (This should always be done no matter what storm) their published work on sc and are more or less ready to bail the fuck out if sc doesn't just god-hand out of the aether and wipe a percentage out of the database.

I share the notion that this could be a good idea but it needs some serious reevaluating because if you think about it, go is really negating one of the primary incentives of upgrading to a premiere account:
Revenue sharing
Premier Partners can monetize their content in the U.S. and earn revenue generated on SoundCloud. Every ad on SoundCloud directly supports an artist.

Not that this should be the main reason to publish material or even get rich by doing it. I use crome so I never see an add on SC. I understand its game fucking on for firefox users but that is beside the point.

My concern lies in the fact that sc for all intense and purpose is a very functional and accessible website to do what most of us aim to do, Publish our work. I know and understand there are alternatives to hosting but goddamn why does it have to come down to a great means of reaching out being sheeeat upon by an idea that at this moment is a paradox wrapped inside of an enigma? I ask that question more to myself. Everyone seems to have their own dystopian view of the evil empire that sc is becoming, From drive wipes to imposing restrictions on free accounts having to dollar up or gtfo to as Ben mentioned (imo the greatest evil) making monetary gain from subscribers while the artist isn't receiving shit. A big part of me wants to believe that the Creative Commons share alike license that most all of us publish under will curb this nincompoopery. I guess time will tell and I absolutely will pull every goddamn track off the site before some faceless fuck makes any kind of profit at the expense of even a willing to pay listener/potential follower.

If this seems silly, I don't care. I ain't about that life.

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Old 02-04-2016, 08:31 AM   #24
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Long and short of it is this. "Go" is a seperate service altogether, whilst it will draw on the majors' they have deals with (read: their share holders or have a stake somehow) catalogue, it will also give access to all track in soundcloud itself. So, not only do you get too 40 content and have to pay for it if you're streaming via the GO app, but all content in SC will be available through it too. Effectively charging users to listen to content that the "creator" can't monetize.

I'm currently going through the process to monetize my labels stuff on soundcloud, by joining "on soundcloud" and as things stand, there is no fucking way most average paying soundcloud users would be able to do that. So this leaves the position of soundcloud monetising your rights owned content via their go app (not in site itself) and not paying you for it.
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Long and short of it is this. "Go" is a seperate service altogether, whilst it will draw on the majors' they have deals with (read: their share holders or have a stake somehow) catalogue, it will also give access to all track in soundcloud itself. So, not only do you get too 40 content and have to pay for it if you're streaming via the GO app, but all content in SC will be available through it too. Effectively charging users to listen to content that the "creator" can't monetize.

I'm currently going through the process to monetize my labels stuff on soundcloud, by joining "on soundcloud" and as things stand, there is no fucking way most average paying soundcloud users would be able to do that. So this leaves the position of soundcloud monetising your rights owned content via their go app (not in site itself) and not paying you for it.
Many, many thanks for taking the time to clarify this. I was under the impression that the entire site was going to be affected by this. Even though it is inadvertently. I guess from an artist pov wouldn't it make more sense to submit tracks to pandora? From my understanding artists are actually compensated though I am sure the amount is small.

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Old 02-04-2016, 09:06 AM   #26
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Long and short of it is this. "Go" is a seperate service altogether, whilst it will draw on the majors' they have deals with (read: their share holders or have a stake somehow) catalogue, it will also give access to all track in soundcloud itself. So, not only do you get too 40 content and have to pay for it if you're streaming via the GO app, but all content in SC will be available through it too. Effectively charging users to listen to content that the "creator" can't monetize.

I'm currently going through the process to monetize my labels stuff on soundcloud, by joining "on soundcloud" and as things stand, there is no fucking way most average paying soundcloud users would be able to do that. So this leaves the position of soundcloud monetising your rights owned content via their go app (not in site itself) and not paying you for it.
wellp i guess i'm leaving soundcloud

fuck i just got business cards with my sc link on it too xP

I need to burn through them all quickly and then ditch soundcloud asap basically. fuck that.
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Old 02-04-2016, 09:36 AM   #27
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wellp i guess i'm leaving soundcloud

fuck i just got business cards with my sc link on it too xP

I need to burn through them all quickly and then ditch soundcloud asap basically. fuck that.
I hear ya, oly..at least there's still bandcamp and Hearthis.at, the latter being pretty dame close to what SC used to be..though I fear that, too, could end up walking down the same road in the near future.

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Old 02-04-2016, 10:39 AM   #28
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if you're a paying member of SC you "should" have the option in tyhje permissions part ofthe track editing to be able to uncheck the box so it's not included in "go"

However, whilst i can see that option with my gibbon records account,m it's not yet appeared in the idmf one or my own personla one. both paid for accounts too. I'v been in touch with SC CS over a couple of days about this, and it's now gotten to the point where they've possibly just abandoned my problem as i'm no longer getting any reply.

Also, for those who haven't noticed, priority support for pro SC users, no longer exists
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I was considering maybe getting a paid membership in a few weeks if i could swing it, but now I'm going to pay for bandcamp instead and soundcloud can fuck off, frankly.
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I hear ya, oly..at least there's still bandcamp and Hearthis.at, the latter being pretty dame close to what SC used to be..though I fear that, too, could end up walking down the same road in the near future.
Hearthis.at allows you to upload 2,000MB for free? No doubt it looks appealing but I agree with you, As the site continues to grow and more people begin to upload, That space is going to fill up quick. TBH I would be ok with a reasonable monetary investment for said space as long as some random fuck isn't taking advantage of financial gain at the expense of free fucking music intended to be free. This makes me want to go renegade and just start distributing CD's and tapes.

I'm not going to jump ship just yet but I am going to see if I can't find some means that protects the integrity of CC license.

We could collectively pull a Trent Reznor and sue the fuck out of everyone for copyright infringement.
Godless sons of whores attempting to sell free music, How the fuck do they sleep at night?!

I can only disable offline playback, No mention of opting out of goat.

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Old 02-04-2016, 11:15 AM   #31
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disabling offline playback is the option that removes you from go. obviously they're being a bit quiet about how to do that or they potentially could lose loads of revenue
it's like organ donation here in wales, everyone is opted in automatically, until you opt out purposefully

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