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Old 13-11-2013, 04:30 PM   #1
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The first note always sounds "right"

This is kind of hard to explain. But sometimes when writing a melody, I'll get stuck on a certain note... and i'll play it over and over and think it sounds good. Then I'll second guess myself and change the note. But NONE of the other notes in the scale sound right after listening a bunch of times...

This this a thing that's just in the brain? that you've heard it hit on that note so many times, it seems "right", and no other notes seem to sound as good?

I don't even know if this makes sense or if anybody else even has this, so I understand I'm kind of shooting this question in the dark haha.

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Old 13-11-2013, 05:12 PM   #2
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Re: the first note always sounds "Right"

The 5th? The minor or major 3rd? 7th? The tritone?
I have no idea what you mean. Post an example perhaps?

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Old 13-11-2013, 05:17 PM   #3
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Re: the first note always sounds "Right"

I think he's either completely tone deaf or has an ear for the root note.
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Old 13-11-2013, 05:22 PM   #4
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Re: the first note always sounds "Right"

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root note.
I fell out of my chair. Writing this standing up, hunched over the keyboard.

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Old 13-11-2013, 07:56 PM   #5
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Re: the first note always sounds "Right"

root note all the way bro, guetta style
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Old 14-11-2013, 06:23 AM   #6
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Re: The first note always sounds "right"

It's very difficult to decipher what you're trying to say. Would you please make a recording and post a link so we can hear what you're trying to futilely convey via wordage?
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Old 14-11-2013, 09:00 AM   #7
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Re: The first note always sounds "right"

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This is kind of hard to explain. But sometimes when writing a melody, I'll get stuck on a certain note... and i'll play it over and over and think it sounds good.
So yo've got 5 notes: C D E F G, and you'll get stuck on (for example) the E and play it over and over and it sounds good.
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Then I'll second guess myself and change the note. But NONE of the other notes in the scale sound right after listening a bunch of times...
So you change the E to an F# and play that note for a bit and then play the other notes C D _ F G and they don't sound right.

Maybe it's just because you've taken one note (the E you changed to an F#) out of your original scale (CMaj or whatever)? It's natural that if you accustom your ear to a particular scale and you play a note that isn't in that scale, that the other notes won't sound 'right'. Unless I've also just misunderstood what you were trying to say here...
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Old 14-11-2013, 06:39 PM   #8
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Re: The first note always sounds "right"

I often find myself in a position where I don't like what I've got, but any change feels worse! I think it happens when I listen to something too many times. Have you tried taking a break before listening to the changed music?

Also I find a lot of the time, in compositions I really admire, it's the notes I would have dismissed out of hand if I were writing it that I really like, because they work in the context of the whole piece. So possibly, once you've made this change that just doesn't sound as good, see if there's anything you can do to the rest of the melody, or the rest of the harmony to make it sound more natural.

My own way of dealing with this problem is to get annoyed and go back to tweaking reverbs. YMMV.

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Old 17-11-2013, 12:11 AM   #9
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Re: The first note always sounds "right"

Mister Crow you are hitting closest to what I mean. It's through repetition of listening to something over and over... your mind almost tricks you into thinking that's the way it should sound... so any other note sounds 'wrong' when in fact they aren't. If i take time away and come back to it, and try different notes they kind of work. It's a weird thing with my brain I've noticed haha.

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Old 17-11-2013, 02:52 AM   #10
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Re: The first note always sounds "right"

Still haven't linked an example. As for notes, changing to obe that is out of key, doesn't ever sound good to me. Most of the time I do find myself trying to write a new pattern and it sounds shit, more than the other same notes I wrote at a different time.

I also tend to write my melody more or less when I play my lower stuff. And base other elements off octaves and 3rd and 5ths. Due to my playing ability and what I'm making my lower octaves move slower with more focus on the top end.

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Old 17-11-2013, 03:25 PM   #11
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Re: The first note always sounds "right"

I come across this sometimes with melodies where I can't seem to find a new part that 'works' and in fact one song I'm working on now I have this awesome part but can't for the life of me figure out where I want it to go both structurally and melodically. Dont have much to contribute other than keep chugging away at it and eventually you find something, maybe? heh

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Old 01-12-2013, 07:59 PM   #12
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Re: The first note always sounds "right"

i think i know what you mean, you'll have a little loop playing for a while then you might move the note a semi tone or 2, but no matter what it just doesnt fit. sounds to high or low pitched and even though the first note doesnt seem the work the others are worse. only way to really "fix" your brain from thinking this is just leaving it for a little bit and coming back to it, maybe the next day or something.

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Old 15-12-2013, 10:27 AM   #13
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Re: The first note always sounds "right"

Yeah i had this issue with a distorted synth i had, part of it was slightly off tune - i found out when i bounced it down and listened in my car it was way off..
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Old 25-12-2013, 01:22 AM   #14
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Re: The first note always sounds "right"

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Mister Crow you are hitting closest to what I mean. It's through repetition of listening to something over and over... your mind almost tricks you into thinking that's the way it should sound... so any other note sounds 'wrong' when in fact they aren't. If i take time away and come back to it, and try different notes they kind of work. It's a weird thing with my brain I've noticed haha.
its even more annoying when you pitch bend something or have an instrument slightly out of tune, like in reggae. is it better to tune it all or does it actually sound better slightly off. sometimes I need like a month away from tune to decide this and even then Im not sure sometimes.
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Re: The first note always sounds "right"

If your struggling with a melody, get up and leave the room. Its a bad idea to keep at it as as you say, your ear starts to get used to the current melody and starts to like it, even if it is truly crap.
Leave it till the morning and try again....
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Old 05-01-2014, 10:32 PM   #17
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Re: The first note always sounds "right"

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This is kind of hard to explain. But sometimes when writing a melody, I'll get stuck on a certain note... and i'll play it over and over and think it sounds good. Then I'll second guess myself and change the note. But NONE of the other notes in the scale sound right after listening a bunch of times...

This this a thing that's just in the brain? that you've heard it hit on that note so many times, it seems "right", and no other notes seem to sound as good?

I don't even know if this makes sense or if anybody else even has this, so I understand I'm kind of shooting this question in the dark haha.
A lot of times when you play a note and then return to it while remaining in key during a melody it sounds right because you are returning to the melodies key, like say for example you have D F# A B G D, it sounds like the first note was right because you are operating within the "key" of D
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Re: The first note always sounds "right"

root note. lol
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Re: The first note always sounds "right"

root note.
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Re: The first note always sounds "right"

I think your problem, as other suggested, is simply to be hearing it too much. Dunno, but it seems that way. Sometimes i get myself really unhappy with the whole song, melody, rhythm, whatever. It does not seems to work. Usually i just ignore this feeling and continue to work on other parts or simply give it a rest and go work on other stuff. It usually works well, either i return to the song and drop it because i see that it has no future, or ideas simply come rushing towards me and i complete the whole thing and what made me unsatisfied before now is a favorite part in the song. The whole thing seems very much a psychological, instead of structural, problem.

But i'm just guessing here. You were very vague.

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