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Old 13-02-2014, 02:35 PM   #21
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Re: Why is music in scales and keys?

Big topic. You'll find yourself often among two turfs: naturalistics explanations (frenquencies, symphatetic resonance, etc...) and social historical ones (music development, economical influence, etc...). I count myself in the second one. If you're willing to some nasty reading, i suggest Adorno's Phylosophy of the New Music. It is a hard, very deep reading.

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Old 13-02-2014, 11:15 PM   #22
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Re: Why is music in scales and keys?

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432hz is the resonant freq of the universe. this is all you need to know.


the rest, inconsequential.
You are one of those guys pushing all tuning to be in 432 instead of 440 and that the world is flat, arent you!

Maybe it is kinda true .

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Old 14-02-2014, 12:37 PM   #24
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Re: Why is music in scales and keys?

Either way, HARMONICS is a formula that man has made to write down what sounds ("naturally") good to human ears. Some other intelligent creatures in the universe may have a totally different "natural" interception on what we call harmony....

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Old 15-02-2014, 02:30 AM   #25
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Re: Why is music in scales and keys?

The answer is dissonance.

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Old 15-02-2014, 03:28 AM   #26
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Re: Why is music in scales and keys?

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Depends on how good you are at sarcasm.:problemofficer:

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Old 15-02-2014, 05:15 AM   #27
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Re: Why is music in scales and keys?

Literally laughing uncontrollably.

God, Santa, words.

There is a technical sense here, I will say the best way besides reading books and watching videos on the subject constantly is to just play something. I could never play a guitar in my teenage years. But when I thought I'd give production a shot, I tried a cheap microkorg keyboard. The keyboard makes sense.

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Old 15-02-2014, 05:40 AM   #28
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Re: Why is music in scales and keys?

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Either way, HARMONICS is a formula that man has made to write down what sounds ("naturally") good to human ears. Some other intelligent creatures in the universe may have a totally different "natural" interception on what we call harmony....
To an extent.

It's a tricky thing to talk about.

Sound is waves. Hertz are a measurement of oscillations in one second. Those waves are the same no matter what, they're altered by traveling through different mediums and all those kinds of factors, but at least within the confines of what we know as the universe sounds is a set thing. It's a consequence of matter, and sounds from the source will always be the same.

The difference factor is the receiver. The coincidence of the peaks and troughs in two sine waves of different pitches is a constant, but how that information is picked up can have any variety of physically sound variety. The concept of harmony isn't a musical thing, it's just applicable as music terminology. The instruments we've built and the music we've made is focused around the frequencies we can perceived, but the physical fact that certain frequencies wave patterns line up in specific ways doesn't change. The range that a creature detects, the curve of response, and the fidelity of how well they hear, and then the mental processing that happens, that could certainly result in alien life regarding our music as fucking horrible.

I suppose my point is this: sound is physics and waves are the same no matter what. I think it's logical that many species would not have an extremely dissimilar way of understanding sound. But many also probably would. It just depends on the local sonic atmosphere where they came to exist.

That's why music is in scales and keys, gentlement hahahaha a
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Re: Why is music in scales and keys?

I would actually add that it's easier to be "wrong" in the lower notes than it is in the higher ones.

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Re: Why is music in scales and keys?

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You are one of those guys pushing all tuning to be in 432 instead of 440 and that the world is flat, arent you!

Maybe it is kinda true .
where is that other magical panty dropping conspiracy thread

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Old 15-02-2014, 01:52 PM   #31
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Old 15-02-2014, 04:07 PM   #32
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Re: Why is music in scales and keys?

a better question is why we perceive mathematical relationships in soundwaves as something that evokes emotions and something that triggers our fantasy.

Important for our evolution? or just a blessing? Socially constructed? are some interesting ways at approaching that question I think. I'm naturalistic in my view that it has evolved but I also believe in evolution as something of progress and under a certain divine law.

as for a God. If you deny the existence of a creator you gotta accept the fact that we are nothing else but a molecule that just happened to start to self replicate, got an inbuilt mechanism for random errors that can translate into traits and features. And that these ransom accidents and errors later produced intelligence and self awareness. And in this case capable of detecting mathematical patterns in sound and a desire to move to these sounds. Personally I find all of this being the cause of billions of totally random events highly unlikely. In either way a miracle whether by God or by accident.
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Damn good post man! [points up]

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Re: Why is music in scales and keys?

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a better question is why we perceive mathematical relationships in soundwaves as something that evokes emotions and something that triggers our fantasy.

Important for our evolution? or just a blessing? Socially constructed?
Emotional communication.

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Old 16-02-2014, 11:53 PM   #35
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Re: Why is music in scales and keys?

i dont even write in keys anymore, i just slam my head on my keyboard.

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Old 17-02-2014, 08:00 PM   #37
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Re: Why is music in scales and keys?

Whenever I see the human voice on a spectrograph it looks like several parallel octaves. And that's exactly where the vocal formants are, roughtly. When I used to read psychoacoustics and audiology books there was a repeating theme that came up: much of the human auditory system seems tailored specifically for hearing the human voice better than pretty much all other sounds. All of the inner and outer ear resonances and frequencies of both pleasure and annoyance have a direct correction to the sounds of babies or their mothers.

I don't know this stuff personally from my own research or anything, but if it matches the trend, I'd say because we hear frequency formants logarithmically and not linearly, that's why music (sounds we find pleasing) match that same structure. And probably our vocal chords are designed to create logarithmically spaced formants.

I could be wrong, but this is my guess.

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so maybe the human brain is designed for nonlinear stimulus inputs.

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Re: Why is music in scales and keys?

The OP was stupid vague and shifted to how we organize pitch but here's some two cents...

How Equal Temperament Ruined Harmony by Ross W. Duffin is an awesome read. Basically a history of how we shifted from just intonation to equal temperament over the course of 300+ years or whatever. All in a pretty easy going writing style as well. And by we I mean us of the western persuasion who didn't grow up jammin' gamelan, traditional middle eastern, tuvan throat singing or anything.

I like to write music like I would for actual instruments so I'm definitely in the social/historical/cultural working harmony category but sometimes weird sounds are so what's up.

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