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Old 31-07-2016, 08:17 PM   #21
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Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?

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I've noticed that if I sit in the room and wait while a person listens to my tune, I get a new feeling for which parts are too long. Time flows differently for the composer. For the listener, they don't know what comes next, so sometimes they are just waiting and waiting, and then the part comes. There might be some subtle variations happening during the waiting time, but all that effort to make that subtlety might be irrelevant to the listener, so they just wait.

So if you sit in the room with them while they are kind enough to hear the whole tune, you might find yourself feeling impatient. And that's a good thing, because it let's you notice the flow of your tune more honestly.
This works for me too, you don`t even have to be in the same room, I can send it to someone and then suddenly have a different viewpoint...helps even more if I`m stoned and/or drunk, heh, but yeah, it`s good way to flip creators mindset into listeners. Maybe depends on your empathy levels though, dunno.

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Old 31-07-2016, 09:03 PM   #22
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not really possible
that's why asking your friends' opinions helps
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Old 05-08-2016, 01:43 PM   #23
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I have a few other composers of various styles added on Facebook where we all send each others stuff over to each other for review before any of us release tracks. Works reasonably well.

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Old 05-08-2016, 09:35 PM   #24
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Alter your consciousness. Drugs / alcohol work(s)

Drunk me picks out all the flaws that sober me thinks aren't noticeable
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Old 06-08-2016, 09:55 AM   #25
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I definitely agree with listening while someone else sits in the room. You become more critical of the song and hear it as a whole. Another strategy is making sure you bounce your track out of your daw and listen in iTunes. If you try to criticize your track as a listener while working in your daw you will be distracted and misled by the visual feedback and tempted to tweak as you listen.
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Old 08-08-2016, 12:14 PM   #26
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Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?

One thing I will add here is that listening to your track while looking at your timeline in the project changes your perception. When you can see what's coming next and when new sounds will be introduced its a slightly different experience than just listening to the audio alone. I'll often half close my laptop lid and listen so I can't see the timeline.

Now, assuming you've exported the track, most of the suggestions already given are solid. Listen to it with someone else in the room, leave the track for a couple of days and listen to it fresh, listen to it on different headphones/speakers. Also, uploading it to Soundcloud or where ever and listening to it like any other listener would, with the title name sitting next to the song.

Other than that just generally try to imagine that you're somebody else listening to the track for the first time.

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Old 08-08-2016, 10:31 PM   #27
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be as harsh as possible and tire yourself out, then take a break and do it all over again until you fall into a depressing stoop and finally make a quality track.

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Old 09-08-2016, 01:55 AM   #28
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I used to sit in my apartment and smoke blunts all day. Sometimes when I would just hit random on my music player it would periodically pick one of my tunes and I wouldn't recognize it. The fuck is this shit!

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Old 13-08-2016, 08:17 PM   #29
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One thing I will add here is that listening to your track while looking at your timeline in the project changes your perception. When you can see what's coming next and when new sounds will be introduced its a slightly different experience than just listening to the audio alone. I'll often half close my laptop lid and listen so I can't see the timeline.
This is such a really good point!

That is one of the things I don't like about SoundCloud.
It messes up the element of surprise for listeners.
And that's a big component of music composition.
That takes away a lot of the impact of a tune and makes it harder to sound good.

I wish there were ways of disabling it.

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Old 14-08-2016, 12:57 AM   #30
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it denies audiophille experience also

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Old 14-08-2016, 01:12 AM   #31
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it denies audiophille experience also
What denies audiophile experience?
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Old 14-08-2016, 03:35 AM   #32
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What denies audiophile experience?
soundcloud

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Old 14-08-2016, 04:31 AM   #33
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soundcloud
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Old 22-08-2016, 08:22 AM   #34
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Biggest problem i have is that whatever i create i think it's great. How can I criticize my own music like a third person? I know it sounds stupid, but are there any questions you should ask yourself when creating music? I can't spot small mistakes in my music until someone tells me, then it is clear in my ears what minor mistakes i have. Any tips for noob producers like me?
Constantly compare it to other tracks: Often, you have like a few tracks you really like and are inspired by and that sound similar in what you are trying to achieve with your track. Now start to really compare your own tracks to those in terms of:

- Mastering/Mixing: How do the different aspects of the track sound? For example, how loud are the snares or the kicks? Try and figure out the "anatomy" of those sounds; how does the EQ look like for them, what kind of plugins are used?

- Composition: How does the track start, finish? How does it change over time to keep being exiting and not monotone? How does the track achieve buildups, breakdowns etc.

I usually do this all the time when producing; just have like a few tracks in your player and while producing, constantly listen to certain parts to keep your ears focused on what your track should sound like (in terms of mixing/mastering) and to get ideas about your composition.
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Old 22-08-2016, 10:17 AM   #35
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Don't listen to it for 2 weeks. After 2 weeks it will sound to you worse than you've remembered
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Old 25-08-2016, 12:14 PM   #36
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don't listen to detail, listen to overall sound
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Old 26-08-2016, 07:27 AM   #37
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Grab a normal listener, don't tell them it's your track. Wait for reaction
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Old 26-08-2016, 07:57 AM   #38
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Old 02-09-2016, 02:38 PM   #39
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Re: How to criticize your own music like a normal listener?

Interesting question! You are never going to be a normal listener again. Not to your own music and not to other peoples music. I don't think any of us should work on listening to their own music with a fresh perspective, but instead should work on listening to their own music from the same perspective while still coming up with fresh ideas for improvement.

You never want your ability to listen to music to regress back to it's original state. Instead, find some ways to continue improving your ability to listen so that you can apply what you listen to what you create. Every track should be a learning opportunity rather than just a listening to of music.

I don't ever miss the days when I would just hear/enjoy music rather than analyze/internalize/listen to music.
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I hate mostly everything I create, so i don't have that problem haha.

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