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Kozmotron 15-12-2014 03:10 AM

Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
sucks to say, Wikipedia has the most info on these two genres, but there's barely any background info on them!!
can anyone define Dark Electro and Aggrotech?

for one, I'd like to know where their originated (I think Dark Electro came from Germany, no say about Aggrotech but would it be wrong to say it came from Germany as well..?)

and I'd also like to know more about their characteristics (what sounds/lyrical themes define Dark Electro and Aggrotech?)

btw, no samples are needed, I'd just like a textual definition/explanation plz~ thx!

penguinoid 17-12-2014 06:46 AM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
Aggrotech: Hardstyle trance with angry yelling about how Christianity is bad?
i.e. heavily distorted 909 kick, supersaw leads, pitchshifted vocals (remember: christianity = bad, this is very important to the style)

Dark Electro is I think more the cybergoth vibe, sooo, I dunno, more ebm/electro-industrial-ish? lyrics about war and/or post-apocalyptic future shizz?
slightly less overdriven drums, cleaner, slightly more complex melodies on supersaw leads, distorted vocals (remember: the future = uncertain, this is very important to the style, also, maybe war)

Histronics 17-12-2014 09:02 AM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lolirl (Post 1298517)
Dark foreskin vs ballsacktech

I liked the new single "Arabian Goggles" that has come from the ballsacktech genere. Sadly not very enlightening though.

AlphaQuadrant66 21-12-2014 12:38 PM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
Definition: Very short ideas....

Original Dark Electro: Eg. yelworC, Placebo Effect, amgoD, early Hocico, some SP, some Das Ich, Cradle Of Spoil, Calva Y Nada...
(Came from EBM I believe, but not so danceable and darker, slower, a style which also has goffy feeling, so you could see goffs that hated ebm dance to darkelectro back in the days 90ties I mean mabye early 2000s)

Newer Dark Electro: eg. Newer Hocico, TakSekt, some Suicide Commando, some ESC
(has orig. darkelectro roots but more 4 on the floor and straighter, also heavier beats often)

Agrrotech? Probably all the SHIT which is hyped the last 10 yrs or so: Nachtmahr, Eisenfunk, Extize etc. (I dont want to know that stuff, so dont know much names)
(Seems a mix from weaker techno, hardstyle and 90ties dance but with "harsh vox" and bad lyrics)

PROton42 21-12-2014 12:45 PM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
Dark electro:


Aggrotech:


That's all there is to it.

Grendel are fucking awesome live by the way.

I know, no samples are needed.

AlphaQuadrant66 21-12-2014 12:53 PM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
@ Proton: Can you name the songs ? (I disabled flash so dont see youtube etc. in forums). I found Grendel pretty horrible btw. :P

@ OP: If you want examples just say :)

PROton42 21-12-2014 12:55 PM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaQuadrant66 (Post 1300351)
@ Proton: Can you name the songs ? (I disabled flash so dont see youtube etc. in forums). I found Grendel pretty horrible btw. :P

@ OP: If you want examples just say :)

No, fuck you I'm not gonna name the songs if you immediately think they're shit. lol.

No, OP DIDN'T want examples. He already said that.

I put tracks down cause I don't give a fuck.

WELCOME TO THE PHILOSOPHY OF AGGROTECH.

AlphaQuadrant66 21-12-2014 01:03 PM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
How do you know IŽd find them shit ?

Maybe they are some rare good songs.








And: Fuck you, too. :P

PROton42 21-12-2014 01:03 PM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaQuadrant66 (Post 1300354)
How do you know IŽd find them shit ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaQuadrant66 (Post 1300351)
I found Grendel pretty horrible btw. :P

:badger:

Anyways, that aside: it's inconsequential.

AlphaQuadrant66 21-12-2014 01:06 PM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
So both are Grended ?

I was mainly refering to live btw. (you wrote "awesome live") Saw Grendel on some festival 10 yrs or so ago with I believe Feindflug and SC. The latter was as "good" as ever other 2 bands more or less... not shit, but lets say not my taste.... :)

Well I will find out your songs :P

AlphaQuadrant66 22-12-2014 08:15 PM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
Well the Yendri song is ok, but I think not dark enough :)


Here an example of orig. darkelectro:

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+ "newer" darkelectro:

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penguinoid 23-12-2014 01:22 AM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PROton42 (Post 1300352)
I put tracks down to spite god

WELCOME TO THE PHILOSOPHY OF AGGROTECH.

*fixed*

PROton42 23-12-2014 01:55 AM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinoid (Post 1300945)
*fixed*

This reminds me of how people were bitching about christian God and Sensationalized Satan and the Antichrist on a youtube of Marilyn Manson's "The Beautiful People"... A song and music video that have absolutely ZERO religious context or imagery.

I guess it just "seemed" "evil" enough.

penguinoid 23-12-2014 06:13 AM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PROton42 (Post 1300951)
This reminds me of how people were bitching about christian God and Sensationalized Satan and the Antichrist on a youtube of Marilyn Manson's "The Beautiful People"... A song and music video that have absolutely ZERO religious context or imagery.

I guess it just "seemed" "evil" enough.

Yeah, I get what you're saying, I guess I'm reading into it too much, cursory lyrics search of popular aggrotech bands yields the following:

Hocico - evil song:
"God, demon, God, evil, No faith, No faith"

Psyclon 9 - The Feeding
"The cross that feeds on your mind, I've seen the lies that reflect in your eyes
It's just a matter of time, From holy scriptures unfurl twisted lines."

Tactical Sekt - Faded Prophecy
"Painted all your icons of submission
Pray to your plastered statue gods and
Piece together farcical legends
And rape your gullible sheep of all"

X-Fusion - Jesus Hates You
"Jesus hates you
Jesus hates your fucking life"

Agonoize - Sacrifice:
"You talk about religious truth
But without proof it would be of any use"

PROton42 23-12-2014 06:31 AM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
I think the main thing to keep in mind, that aggrotech is about being pissed, aggressive, not taking any more shit, what have you. Religion, especially Christianity, is definitely something to be pissed about. Considering how many people have been murdered, brainwashed, oppressed by it. Just as much as governments (built on religions), just as much as pop culture. It's definitely a very political kind of message evolved from industrial ideology.

aikighost 23-12-2014 11:49 AM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
The on thing to keep in mind is both genres are boring, cheesy and made for 'edgy" children. Thats yer market right there. ;)

PROton42 23-12-2014 03:16 PM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
Nah I think that's subversive bullshit meant to discredit an entire culture of people who have genuine reason to be pissed off.

penguinoid 23-12-2014 07:03 PM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PROton42 (Post 1300991)
I think the main thing to keep in mind, that aggrotech is about being pissed, aggressive, not taking any more shit, what have you.

Yeah, the problem there though is that a lot of them seem to be pissed and not taking any more shit from the girls who ignored them in high school.

PROton42 23-12-2014 07:08 PM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
Okay. So it can safely be assumed that if a majority of a scene is a certain way, the rest fall into place.

Just like when people say "goths are mental, serial killers, and depressed, satanists, loners, witches"

AlphaQuadrant66 23-12-2014 08:23 PM

Re: Dark Electro vs. Aggrotech?
 
I knew quite a lot of so called goffs in the past, most were party people (drink, fuck, drug, music...you name it) lol. Satanist were more the blackmetal folk, even if most good blackmetal isnt about satan lol


@ aikighost: Wholeheartly disagree, I tried to point out that the orig darkelectro was a cool und genuin style. Even some of the newer "2nd" darkelectro is ok or even cool. Seems I failed (listen to the tracks I posten, hear the difference to aggro/terror etc. stuff??)


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